Hi Kerwin,This discussion started because you sided with Gene that angels aren't “spirits” like the scripture says.  But I'm here to tell you that God is a Spirit AND a Being, therefore a Spirit Being.  Same with angels and demons.God's Holy Spirit is not a being, but a part of the Being of God.My spirit is not a being, but a part OF the being o…[Read more]

Quote (942767 @ June 20 2011,10:10)When Jesus said I came down from heaven, was he speaking of his body, soul, and spirit?Soul and spirit, Marty.  “A body you have prepared for me”.  Quote (942767 @ June 20 2011,10:10)And, I already explained to you how he, of course the person, said he had the glory.  It was a done dealNo, you said he already ha…[Read more]

Hi Kathi,How's your trip going?  Or are you back?We all know that Jesus is the “only begotten god”, so yes, he is the god who is the Son of God Almighty.As far as the “worship” part, you already know my stance on “proskuneo”.  But check out what I read today:1 Chronicles 29:20 KJVAnd David said to all the congregation, Now bless the LORD your G…[Read more]

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ June 21 2011,01:36)Are you ready to talk about Collasians and Hebrews where it spefically states that Jesus created all things???Sure. You go first. List ONE scripture that you think says Jesus created anything at all.After we verify whether or not that scripture really DOES say what you claim it does, it'll be my turn to…[Read more]

Quote (Paladin @ June 20 2011,06:21)Do you mean like when you say “give me the glory I had beside you?Or do you mean when you say “Give me the glory I had in your peresence?”Paladin,Do you truly not know the difference between translating a Greek word into one of the many authenticated meanings OF that word, and ADDING your OWN words into the…[Read more]

Quote (Paladin @ June 20 2011,06:19)The new tree is both a root and branch of the parent tree.So then the ORIGINAL tree came FROM the NEW tree?  A NEW tree is NEVER the ROOT of an already existing tree.  It can come FROM the roots of the older tree, but it is not the root OF that older tree.And if Jesus was using BOTH words to claim the same t…[Read more]

Quote (Paladin @ June 21 2011,04:10)Of course you do Mike, why all the false disclaimers? People who really don't care don't come online to demonstrate how much they don't care.Paladin,Read my words more carefully.  I will bold the important word in this statement for you:Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 10 2011 @ 13:41)I don't really care any more what…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 20 2011,07:59)Please tell us How a WORD can BE FLESH,Gene, I've already told you this 100 times. If the spokesman for the King of Abyssinia can be called “the word of the king”, then the spokesman for God could also be called “the Word of God”. And a SPOKESMAN of God, who was existing in the form of God, CAN literally…[Read more]

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ June 21 2011,01:23)Why not? why cannot he Not see God as a human? Because scripture says so.Quote (SimplyForgiven @ June 21 2011,01:23)Biblically have People claimed to have seen God? Yes or No?Biblically, people have claimed to have seen “God”, meaning a representative OF God.  God Himself says that no man can see Him and…[Read more]

Quote (Tim Kraft @ June 21 2011,03:34)Perhaps this: No natural man can see God. Physical eyes cannot see spirit.Hi Tim,That is how I understand it.  Physical eyes can see spirits, but only when God “opens” those eyes to see those spirits.And He and Jesus and John all seem pretty clear that no man has EVER seen God with human eyes – even though…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ June 21 2011,21:26)Cuprinus, moreover, the father of him that was restored to life, took Simon with him to his house, and entertained him in a suitable manner, while he and all his household believed in Christ, that He is the Son of the living God.That sounds about right.  

Quote (david @ June 21 2011,16:07)Epiphanius ( 2nd/3rd Century?): 1. “From the time of Christ to our own day the first heresy was that of Simon the magician,Interesting. I read a blog the other day where someone was trying to set the other posters straight that Jesus is the Son of God, and not God Himself.The following poster told him he was l…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 22 2011,11:21)Hey JackVery Good and welcome back!  WJI've answered Jack's post in the “Bizzaro” thread, so I didn't have to divert from the current subject being discussed here.mike

We need Jack to visit more often, for in one post, he has given us three Bizzaro World claims.  The first I mentioned in my last post.  Here are two more:Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ June 22 2011,11:19)However, your argument against Trinitarianism on the basis of the “him” reading is erroneous because (1) the JW's have argued that Jehovah frequently r…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ June 22 2011,04:11)Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 22 2011,14:56)Here's another example of “Exception for Jesus” logic:Yes that exception rule is definitely bizarre.As soon as Jesus is mentioned all logic and teaching by pattern in scripture is thrown out the window.How true.  Here's one straight from the current headlines (by which I mean…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 22 2011,17:29)Kerwin ……….. You have it right, Root (of) a person (MEANS) a decedent from that person..  The word Root and Offspring is in the same sentence and subject matter of what Jesus was saying. Only in bizarre world do people separate it to mean something it is not saying. The word ROOT is used to show…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ June 21 2011,22:30)Quote John 17(KJV)18As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world. The apostles were sent into the world the same was as Jesus and so according to you bizaro reasoning they are preexistent as well.You use this scripture as a “cure all”, but there are two easy defenses for it:1.…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ June 21 2011,22:17)Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 22 2011,08:47)Thank you Gene for this one:Revelation 22:16“I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star.”Non-preexister:  This really means that Jesus was FROM the Root of David.But it does…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 20 2011,19:29)Btw BD, do you believe angels have bodies?Bump for Bod

Here's another example of “Exception for Jesus” logic:Moses was called “elohim”, was given great power by God, performed many signs and wonders, and even had is own prophet Aaron.And Trinitarians have no problem coming to the logical conclusion that Moses was someone OTHER THAN and LESSOR TO the Being who placed him in the position he was in.Jesus…[Read more]