Quote (bodhitharta @ June 23 2011,13:27)I am not aware of what types of bodies they may possess but they must have “substantial” bodies for them to have been seen by humans.Lot actually physically saw angels and the people outside literally wanted to have sex with them so they must have a literal presence or can create one, they also had sex with…[Read more]

Hi Ed,I'll let Pierre take care of Pierre.  But I'm still waiting for a response to this post:Hi Ed,It is Istari's claim that angels are “everywhere all the time” – not mine.  I have been arguing AGAINST that claim for over 300 pages now.But if YOU don't think they are “everywhere all the time”, then what is it that distinguishes them as being H…[Read more]

Keith, are you going to comment on the point of David's thread?  How the “first heresy” came from a man claiming to be the Father, Son and Holy Spirit?

Keith, those same Jews said “the only Father we have is God Himself”.  Were THEY also “equal to God”?Also, t8 has (again) pointed out that “equal TO” means you are NOT the thing you are “equal TO”.  I cannot possibly be “equal TO” myself.And finally, are you REALLY going to go there?  Are you seriously going to use “no one ever said he WASN'T Go…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ June 22 2011,22:00)Well Mike,We have been over and over this…we should let David have his topic.  I'm not back from my trip yet…just taking some quiet time away from all the wild and crazy fun Fair enough, Kathi. I hope you're having fun with your “hot boyfriend”! (For those who don't know, that's her husband of many…

Hi Ed,Paladin won't agree, and he knows why. But if he does, it is to be a one question and one answer within a post that is 250 words or less……………and only for me and Paladin.

As the young kids say: TRU DAT! (For us old people, it means “AMEN!”)

Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ June 23 2011,15:21)There is NO scripture that says that Jesus is “other” than God in the sense Mike suggests. Jesus is “monogenes”, that is, God the only Son I don't know what to call this one.  Perhaps “the perverting of basic common sense to further a doctrine”?  At any rate, it IS gibberish, and belongs in this t…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 23 2011,10:33)If all we need is “good logic” to understand the scriptures then why did Jesus have to send the “Spirit of truth”?Many think they know by the scriptures who Jesus is, but the scriptures clearly teach without the Holy Spirit of truth to reveal him then they do not know who or what he is!Keith, are you…[Read more]

Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ June 23 2011,15:21)There is NO scripture that says that Jesus is “other” than God in the sense Mike suggests. Jesus is “monogenes”, that is, God the only Son This one is going right into Bizzaro World.  Jack, have you noticed that almost every word you post on this site meets the requirements of “Bizzaro Doctine”?  “Son OF G…[Read more]

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ June 23 2011,02:16)For example Moses saw the back shoulder of God, yet that is seeing but a TASTE, a small image of God. Is that not true?Exodus 3318 And Moses said, “Show me your glory.”  19 And the Lord said, “I will make all my goodness pass before your face, and I will proclaim the Lord by name before you; I will be gra…[Read more]

Quote (Paladin @ June 23 2011,07:16)The poiont of fact we need to focus on is, Jesus is never called “the logos of God” regardless of your emmisary who was called “the word of the king.”Okay then, let's do just that. Should I set up the debate thread?

Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ June 23 2011,13:27)Istari:Quote There is only One True God – God Most High – YHVH.Jesus Christ is also called the true God (1 John 5:20).Poppycock, but one that should be added to the Bizzaro Doctrine thread:  Deliberately misinterpreting a clear scripture to pretend that it supports your doctrine.20 We know also that the…[Read more]

Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ June 23 2011,13:27)Istari wrote:Quote There is only ONE SAVIOUR – YHVH GODTitus 2:13 says that jesus Christ is the savior. So Christ must be God or there are two saviors. You lose either way.Isaiah 19:20It will be a sign and witness to the LORD Almighty in the land of Egypt. When they cry out to the LORD because of their…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 23 2011,16:20)So what are you saying that YHVH is not “Almighty” and Jesus is not “Almighty”?For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, “The mighty God, (el gibbowr)” The everlasting Father, The Prince of…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ June 23 2011,17:30)1) Is Jesus from Heaven?2) Is he the Everlasting FatherYou answer would be yes to both.Then I would reply, see he is the Heavenly Father. Even though we both know this is wrong, this is exactly what it is like listening to your rants and reasons as to why Jesus is God.Bam! You hit the nail right smack on the head…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ June 23 2011,15:33)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 23 2011,08:58)Quote (t8 @ June 22 2011,16:56)First question.Is Jesus the Heavenly Father according to this verse?t8It doesn't say “heavenly father” does it?WJThank you for taking the bait.I now reel you in with, “It doesn't say the Almighty (God) Elohim” does it.I saw that coming…[Read more]

Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ June 23 2011,11:38)Keith,Just another feeble attempt by the Bonehead to equate shadow to substance. Christ is explicitly called the substance to which the shadows pointed. The substance is God. Ergo….JackYou call ME a “bonehead” when YOU don't even know what the word “Christ” means?       ALL OF Jehovah's christs are so…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 23 2011,08:50)Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 22 2011,19:23)Quote (t8 @ June 22 2011,04:11)Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 22 2011,14:56)Here's another example of “Exception for Jesus” logic:Yes that exception rule is definitely bizarre.As soon as Jesus is mentioned all logic and teaching by pattern in scripture is thrown out the…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ June 22 2011,22:13)Mike,So according to you Jesus was sent into the world in the same way John's daughter was since the apostles were sent into the world in the same way he was.Hi Kerwin, It is YOU who says “the SAME WAY”, not the scripture.  You are doing the same thing the Trinitarians do when they say, “honor the Son just as…[Read more]