Proverbs 8:1 begins with the narrator of the chapter who quotes the person referred to as wisdom.

The Son was born/begotten before the creation of the depths and mountains. A birth is not a beginning of existence, a birth requires that which is born to have existed so that he could be born. The Son existed eternally within the…[Read more]

There is much more than the word “craftsman” that shows wisdom is referring to a person who was with God before creation.
The Tanakh itself uses these words to show that:

• “I was born” — Proverbs 8:24
• “I was born” — Proverbs 8:25
• “From everlasting I was established” — Proverbs 8:23
• “When He established the heavens, I was…[Read more]

My claim is not that Philo, Sirach, or the Targums are “Scripture.” My claim is that ancient Jews before Christianity interpreted Proverbs 8 as describing a real, personal, pre‑existent figure who comes forth…[Read more]

Just to clarify: the idea that Proverbs 8 describes a divine, pre‑existent figure who participates in creation is not a Christian invention. Multiple ancient Jewish sources — long before Christianity — interpreted it that way.

Philo of Alexandria (20 BC–AD 50), a Jewish philosopher, explicitly identified the figure in Proverb…[Read more]

I mentioned the part of the chapter that was dealing with the topic of creation because that is what we were discussing.

Also I addressed your point about “wisdom” being feminine to tell you that just because Hebrew words have a gender for their grammatical construction doesn’t really mean anything significant when the noun is inani…[Read more]

Let me just start here with my reply. You don’t seem to understand how Hebrew works when using gender specific nouns.

The Hebrew noun for “wisdom” (חָכְמָה) is grammatically feminine, but grammatical gender in Hebrew
belongs to the noun, not to the real identity of the figure being represented.
Hebrew routinely personifies…[Read more]

Here is my clear statement about Proverbs 8:

Even if we acknowledge that Proverbs 8 uses poetic personification, the text still describes “wisdom” as something that comes forth from YHWH, exists before creation, is with YHWH before anything is made, stands beside Him, and participates in creation as a craftsman. Those are the act…[Read more]

I believe that the “wisdom” in Prov 8:22+ represents the literal only begotten Son of YHVH who YHVH the Father identifies as the YHVH who all things were made through and for. They are united as one Holy Spirit that is sent to dwell in all true believers, bringing the fellowship of both the Father and the Son of God to them.

Thanks for asking. Here’s the follow‑up question I’m trying to get to:

If Proverbs 8 describes a being who comes forth from God, is with God before creation, stands beside God, and participates in creation as a craftsman, then how do you interpret that figure within the Tanakh?

In other words: what is this being, according to your…[Read more]

You said the answer to all three creation questions is “no,” so let me stay with that one point. My goal isn’t to defend church tradition o…[Read more]

I want to start by acknowledging something important about your story. You’ve shared that you spent forty years in Christian churches, raising sincere questions about the relationship between the Tanakh and the New Testament — and that your pastor and fellow churchgoers didn’t give you meaningful answers. I can understand how disco…[Read more]

You keep asserting that the Messiah must be biologically descended from Solomon, and that God cannot have an only‑begotten Son. But you have not shown where the Tanakh says either of these things.

So let me ask directly:

1. Where does the Tanakh say the Messiah must come from Solomon specifically?
2. Where does the Tanakh say God c…[Read more]

You keep asserting that God cannot have an only‑begotten Son, but you have not shown where the Tanakh says this. So let me ask directly:

Where does the Tanakh say that God cannot have a Son?
Where does it say God cannot beget?
Where does it say God cannot send His Son?
Where does it say God cannot reveal Himself through His S…[Read more]

Proverbs 30:4 is a riddle about the identity of a divine figure. Agur asks who ascends and descends from heaven, who gathers the wind, who wraps the waters, and who established the earth. These are all divine actions in the Tanakh. Then he asks: “What is His name, and what is His Son’s name?”

The “Son” cannot be Israel or Solomon,…[Read more]

When God says He will make Solomon’s dynasty “permanent,” He does not mean an endless biological chain of Solomon’s sons ruling on earth.

The Tanakh itself shows Solomon’s line collapsed: the kingdom split, the monarchy ended, foreign powers deposed kings, Jehoiachin was cursed, and no son of Solomon ruled after the exile. If “perma…[Read more]

It’s the desire and love of God and His truth that takes me where I go, not stubbornness nor fear.

I’m going to stay with the text and ignore the personal comments. You asked for Tanakh support for the statements I made, so here are the passages.

1. “God sent His Son” — Tanakh foundation
The Tanakh repeatedly speaks of a divine figure sent by God who is distinct from God yet shares His nature.

– Prov 30:4 — “What is His name,…[Read more]

God the Father sent His only begotten Son into the world as a bond servant, fully man while still remaining eternally divine,  as the promised Messiah. Born of the seed of Abraham through Mary who married Joseph. The Messiah is sitting at the right hand of the Father who will put all His enemies under His feet.

Jesus is a legal heir to the dynasty, Jesus is a biological heir of David.

Both are true.

I don’t believe that we have communicated before now. Nice to “meet” you. Do you agree that Jesus is a son in Solomon’s line legally by adoption with Joseph and biologically through Nathan and eventually through Mary?

Thanks for the detailed reply. Let’s slow the discussion down and keep it text‑based. You’re arguing that the passages in Samuel and Chronicles prove the Messiah must come *biologically* through Solomon and cannot come through any other son of David. I’m going to show, from the Tanakh itself, why that conclusion goes beyond what th…[Read more]

1. “Messiah must come through Solomon, not Nathan.”
The Tanakh never states that requirement. The promises to David in 2 Samuel 7 and 1 Chronicles 22 establish a dynasty, not a single-branch require…[Read more]

Jesus is biologically the seed of David through Mary whose father provides the tribal lineage.

You asked:

What is the Messiah to do when he comes and can you prove using the Tanakh the Jesus fulfilled what the true Messiah was to do when he came?

According to the Tanakh, the Messiah must be a Davidic king born in Bethlehem, a…[Read more]

Specifically what “thought” do you want addressed?

It is working again and yes, I am using a VPN. Thank you for adjusting your filters. It is much easier to write my posts on my desktop.

Good day,

LU

The info at your link gives 6 opinions, none of them are 100 % sure. I believe that Noah gave a curse that has caused every reader to think there must be something the text is not telling us. However, I am just going with the text. Noah got drunk, Ham saw him uncovered in his tent, the brothers covered their father up. Noah woke up…[Read more]

i spoke too soon. It’s back to not letting me post on my desktop. Sorry to be that problem child 🙁
I took a screenshot of the response that I got just now:

From my research, it is not uncommon for the wife to have her own tent. A wife needs a lot of closet space after all, haha. Anyway, I tend to lean towards the obvious, Noah was drunk and embarrassed and said the wrong thing. Many families are broken apart from careless words. The tongue is a dangerous part of the body.

Proverbs…[Read more]

Many Blessings!

Good question, everyone that I have listened to from YouTube has asked a similar question as you, “what did Ham do…”  That seems to be a common question because that curse on Ham’s descendants through Canaan seems pretty over the top.

The thoughts I have are these: perhaps Ham didn’t do anything wrong; maybe Noah had a lapse in…[Read more]

LU

I have been wrestling with this question: ‘What did Ham do to deserve such a curse from his father, Noah?’ See the following passage here:

Genesis 9:18The sons of Noah who came out of the ark were Shem, Ham, and Japheth. And Ham was the father of Canaan. 19These three were the sons of Noah, and from them the whole earth was…

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 1 Chronicles 22:9-10

9‘Behold, a son will be born to you, who shall be a man of rest; and I will give him rest from all his enemies on every side; for his name shall be Solomon, and I will give peace and quiet to Israel in his days. 10‘He shall build a house for My name, and he shall be My son and I will be his father; and I will…

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In Jewish tradition, naming a child was closely tied to the father’s legal role, and biblical examples show that the act of naming was considered a paternal responsibility that established lineage and identity. Joseph named Jesus. Jesus is Joseph’s legal son and therefore Solomon’s lineage in the legal sense. Mary brings the b…[Read more]

If, as you claim, Jesus is a demi-god, half god/half human then, according to your idea, the human side of him would be biologically related to David. Therefore Jesus is a biological descendant of David’s own body even if Jesus was considered a demi-god which I do not agree with. And, being a descendant of David’s own body, he would…[Read more]

To say that Mary’s Son isn’t a biological descendant of David because He didn’t have a biological father isn’t reasonable. The child was to be the seed of the woman and from a virgin.

LU

Gen 1:14And God says, “Let luminaries be in the expanse of the heavens,

It says it right there. The expanse has waters above it and below it.

Regarding your “lol”, your “How about really thinking about the following logic”…

I think this addresses the value of your “logic”:

Matt 11:25 At that time Jesus said, “I praise You, Fat…[Read more]

The Hebrew word for “sky” in day two is the same Hebrew word for “heavens” in verse one. The form is a dual/plural usually written a collective singular but sometimes is shown plural depending on the verb that is used with it when the word is a subject of a sentence.  You can see that the stars were placed in the expanse that is in…[Read more]

Hi, I’ve been busy and will be busy for a couple of weeks for the holidays. I just have time for a couple of comments. I believe that the translation of NASB1995 is the most accurate and is what I use. I also believe that Isa 9:6 should be translated as in the NASB1995:

Isa 9:6 For a child will be born to us, a son will be given to…[Read more]

I took a screenshot of what happens when I try to post from my desktop:

Lost last two posts are screen shots that I took of AI answers to my questions. I am having trouble posting here, an error message keeps popping up and I have to do a work around and send through my email and them post a picture here via my phone. Keep in mind that the last post of mine does not reflect the NSB1995 version and I…[Read more]

You wrote:

“In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.”

It was all there before Day 1.

I read the beginning of Genesis as a title or overview of what is to come in the verses that come after the first part of chapter one. For instance, we are told that the expanse called heaven was not made till day two, so the…[Read more]

Regarding Jesus’ qualifications for the eternal throne:

Jewish Messianic Criteria
Must be a descendant of David through Solomon (based on 2 Samuel 7 and 1 Chronicles 22).
Must be biologically descended from David, not just legally adopted.

Christian Resolution
Matthew’s genealogy affirms Jesus’ legal right to David’s throne throu…

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