@AndrewAD

I understood what you were saying about the gospel of John. When I read Jael’s response to what you said, I didn’t understand how his response lined up with what you wrote. I figured that he just did not clearly comprehended your post.

@AndrewAD

Thank you for your post and support. I agree, I am not declaring anything new. The early church fathers used terms like ‘offspring’ and ‘begotten God’ regarding Jesus/Yeshua and terms like ‘the unbegotten God’ in regards to the Father. That was before the Council of Nicea.

@t8

What is your response to the last question above?

@jael

I am answering your questions one at a time here: https://heavennet.net/forums/topic/lightenupjael-discussion/#post-818593

@jael

Hello Jael,

This is where I will answer your questions, one at a time. You may address those answers here or not but this is where I will answer them. You may even ask a question here but ask just one at a time because that is all I am going to answer, one at a time. I picked a question from your many questions in other threads to start…[Read more]

@Jael

Please go here with your questions for me:

Lightenup/Jael Discussion

@Jael

Please go here to ask me your questions so that I’m not being asked about the same topics in more than one thread.

Lightenup/Jael Discussion

@Jael

If you are willing to have a discussion with me here, would you please let me know your beliefs (briefly) regarding the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit in your first post?

Thank you and may God bless our discussion and be glorified in it!

These are my beliefs:

I believe in one God, the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth, and of all things visible and invisible.

And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the only-begotten Son of God, begotten of the Father before all worlds; God of God, Light of Light, very God of very God; begotten, not made, being of one substance with the Father, by…[Read more]

@Jael

Wow, that’s a lot of questions 🙂

You said:

Please can you show me scripture verses that say that Jesus ALWAYS HAD ‘divine and eternal essence’. Surely a verse says that ‘the Father was pleased that Jesus should be filled with …the Holy Spirit…’ as sure as the fullness of the Holy Spirit alighted on Jesus at Jesus’ baptism, and GOD SAID,…

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@Jael

Wow, that’s a lot of questions 🙂

You said:

Please can you show me scripture verses that say that Jesus ALWAYS HAD ‘divine and eternal essence’. Surely a verse says that ‘the Father was pleased that Jesus should be filled with …the Holy Spirit…’ as sure as the fullness of the Holy Spirit alighted on Jesus at Jesus’ baptism, and GOD SAID,…

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@AndrewAD

Good post. I agree that the Son was the only born son from eternity. I believe that the Son always existed within the Father and then at one point, as the Father’s first work, the Son was begotten (brought forth) from within the Father before creation and therefore became the firstborn over all creation as all things were created…[Read more]

@Jael

Hello there Jael. You asked:

So if Jesus being ‘one with the Father makes him “GOD” just as the Father is God, then why would the disciples (Actually, APOSTLES) NOT be “GOD” as Jesus wished for them?

Being one with the Father is not what made the Son to be God. It is His divine and eternal essence that makes the Son to be God. Believers…[Read more]

@Jael

You ask a good question.

As I understand, the Father and the Son are equal in essence-two persons…one eternal and divine essence. (When I think of essence in perhaps a way to understand it according to this physical world, I think of two identical cells…they are two in number but one in essence.) In regards to the Father and the…[Read more]

@Jael

You ask a good question.

As I understand, the Father and the Son are equal in essence-two persons…one eternal and divine essence. (When I think of essence in perhaps a way to understand it according to this physical world, I think of two identical cells…they are two in number but one in essence.) In regards to the Father and the…[Read more]

@t8

Thanks for your answer. Do you agree that the Son is the only son who has always had the same nature of the Father?

@t8

Thank you for those verses. I agree that those verses seem to show that He has always been the Son of God. Seems impossible to send a son if you do not have a son to send and also for the ‘image of  God’ and the ‘firstborn over all creation’ to create all things, He would have to be that ‘image’ and ‘firstborn’ before creation. Those are…[Read more]

@t8

I see that you have not answered my last question here dated September 8. Please answer that here so I don’t have to send you to the hot seat again. After you answer that last question above this post, you can answer this question regarding your response which I will paste here:

My question to you was:

Please tell me which way you understand…

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@t8

Thank you for answering this in less than 6 weeks! I agree with your choice. I have a follow up question which I will post in our debate thread.

Also, I never meant to frighten you, haha. I was curious whether or not you were going to respect your own design though.