@jael

YHVH

@jael

The true God is defined as YHVH and YHVH is the God of gods and the Lord of lords.

@jael

I have shown you where the Son is called the eternal life that was with the Father from the beginning. Therefore, He always existed.

I have shown you that begetting does not necessarily mean created but merely bringing something forth from one place to another. Nothing can be brought forth from one place to another unless it already…[Read more]

@jael

I have shown you where the Son is called the eternal life that was with the Father from the beginning. Therefore, He always existed.

I have shown you that begetting does not necessarily mean created but merely bringing something forth from one place to another. Nothing can be brought forth from one place to another unless it already…[Read more]

@jael

Jael, you asked me this:

LU, ‘Jesus… First works of The Father.’!

Where do you get that from in the Scriptures?

Are you saying that GOD made Jesus?

If you would read my post correctly, t8 was speaking about that and I was asking him to show us where he specifically got that thought so that I could address it.

Fyi, I do not believe that…[Read more]

@jael

Challenge accepted!

In Isaiah 8, Jehovah is prophecying to Isaiah about Jehovah of hosts who is going to be the stone of stumbling. This ‘Jehovah of hosts’ is identified by Peter as Jesus in 1 Peter 2.

Isaiah 8:12-15
11 Jehovah spake thus to me with a strong hand, and instructed me not to walk in the way of this people, saying,
12 Say ye…[Read more]

@t8

You seem to be confused. Jesus is the firstborn of many brethren from death. That is regarding the manhood of Jesus, not His Godhood. Also, He never gives up His original essence to come in the flesh. You have no scriptural backing for that.

@t8

you said: If scripture calls men ‘theos’ and they are humans, then yes Jesus is so much more as he is the only begotten.

At least you can see that Jesus is much more since he is the only begotten. In fact, Peter shows us that He is called YHVH of Hosts by YHVH. Isn’t YHVH of Hosts your God or just YHVH?

@t8 you said:

These writings clearly define Jesus as the first work of the Father as the Word that was with him.

What writings are you referring to specifically?

@jael

You would certainly not be put to death for your beliefs like the ones in the Foxe’s Book of Martyrs. They had a much different confession than you. Have you ever read that book? That alone should make you wonder about what you believe.

@jael

Jael,

When I read that God sent His only begotten Son into the world and this only begotten Son was the eternal life that was with God, His Father in the beginning, I understand this only begotten Son as a true Son that was truly an offspring that was eternally alive. How could anyone, including the Father, be eternally alive, exactly, I…[Read more]

@jael

Jael,

When I read that God sent His only begotten Son into the world and this only begotten Son was the eternal life that was with God, His Father in the beginning, I understand this only begotten Son as a true Son that was truly an offspring that was eternally alive. How that could anyone including the Father, be eternally alive, exactly,…[Read more]

@jael

Hi Jael,

I will respond to you here if you ask one question at a time, ok? I will answer this question of yours:

Is the FATHER equal to the SON?

They are equal in essence. You are also equal in essence to your father. They are two distinct persons. You and your father are two distinct persons. The Father has authority over the Son. Your…[Read more]

@t8

You have a response to the last question, don’t you?

@jael

You asked me:

You say that you BELIEVE that the son was always existent in The Father. Yet when I ask you to show where you get this inappropriate idea from you fail to respond.

1 John 1

1What was from the beginning, what we have heard, what we have seen with our eyes, what we have looked at and touched with our hands, concerning the Word…[Read more]

@jael

Hello, I will answer this question of yours to me, in our discussion thread, next:

You say that you BELIEVE that the son was always existent in The Father. Yet when I ask you to show where you get this inappropriate idea from you fail to respond.

Hi Jael,

Hebrews 1:5

For to which of the angels did He ever say, “YOU ARE MY SON, TODAY I HAVE BEGOTTEN YOU”? And again, “I WILL BE A FATHER TO HIM AND HE SHALL BE A SON TO ME”?

Hebrews is partially about the Son whom all things were made through and has also inherited all things, is also the exact representation of the Father and who was made…[Read more]

@jael

Hi Jael,

I do not want a debate with you either and I did not invite you to a debate. I invited you to a one on one discussion so that our questions and answers would be easier to follow for me. You have a lot of questions in your posts. I will take them one at a time. It is easier for me to keep track in that thread that I made for a one…[Read more]

@Jael

In another thread, you asked me about Hebrews 1:5 and suggested that the Son was adopted by the Father and you used the verse in Hebrews to support that belief.

Here is commentary from John Gill that is helpful:
Hebrews 1:5
For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will…[Read more]

@Jael

Please post your questions and responses to my answers here so our discussion has some continuity: https://heavennet.net/forums/topic/lightenupjael-discussion/#post-818593