@t8

You have a response to the last question, don’t you?

@jael

You asked me:

You say that you BELIEVE that the son was always existent in The Father. Yet when I ask you to show where you get this inappropriate idea from you fail to respond.

1 John 1

1What was from the beginning, what we have heard, what we have seen with our eyes, what we have looked at and touched with our hands, concerning the Word…[Read more]

@jael

Hello, I will answer this question of yours to me, in our discussion thread, next:

You say that you BELIEVE that the son was always existent in The Father. Yet when I ask you to show where you get this inappropriate idea from you fail to respond.

Hi Jael,

Hebrews 1:5

For to which of the angels did He ever say, “YOU ARE MY SON, TODAY I HAVE BEGOTTEN YOU”? And again, “I WILL BE A FATHER TO HIM AND HE SHALL BE A SON TO ME”?

Hebrews is partially about the Son whom all things were made through and has also inherited all things, is also the exact representation of the Father and who was made…[Read more]

@jael

Hi Jael,

I do not want a debate with you either and I did not invite you to a debate. I invited you to a one on one discussion so that our questions and answers would be easier to follow for me. You have a lot of questions in your posts. I will take them one at a time. It is easier for me to keep track in that thread that I made for a one…[Read more]

@Jael

In another thread, you asked me about Hebrews 1:5 and suggested that the Son was adopted by the Father and you used the verse in Hebrews to support that belief.

Here is commentary from John Gill that is helpful:
Hebrews 1:5
For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will…[Read more]

@Jael

Please post your questions and responses to my answers here so our discussion has some continuity: https://heavennet.net/forums/topic/lightenupjael-discussion/#post-818593

@AndrewAD

I understood what you were saying about the gospel of John. When I read Jael’s response to what you said, I didn’t understand how his response lined up with what you wrote. I figured that he just did not clearly comprehended your post.

@AndrewAD

Thank you for your post and support. I agree, I am not declaring anything new. The early church fathers used terms like ‘offspring’ and ‘begotten God’ regarding Jesus/Yeshua and terms like ‘the unbegotten God’ in regards to the Father. That was before the Council of Nicea.

@t8

What is your response to the last question above?

@jael

I am answering your questions one at a time here: https://heavennet.net/forums/topic/lightenupjael-discussion/#post-818593

@jael

Hello Jael,

This is where I will answer your questions, one at a time. You may address those answers here or not but this is where I will answer them. You may even ask a question here but ask just one at a time because that is all I am going to answer, one at a time. I picked a question from your many questions in other threads to start…[Read more]

@Jael

Please go here with your questions for me:

Lightenup/Jael Discussion

@Jael

Please go here to ask me your questions so that I’m not being asked about the same topics in more than one thread.

Lightenup/Jael Discussion

@Jael

If you are willing to have a discussion with me here, would you please let me know your beliefs (briefly) regarding the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit in your first post?

Thank you and may God bless our discussion and be glorified in it!

These are my beliefs:

I believe in one God, the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth, and of all things visible and invisible.

And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the only-begotten Son of God, begotten of the Father before all worlds; God of God, Light of Light, very God of very God; begotten, not made, being of one substance with the Father, by…[Read more]

@Jael

Wow, that’s a lot of questions 🙂

You said:

Please can you show me scripture verses that say that Jesus ALWAYS HAD ‘divine and eternal essence’. Surely a verse says that ‘the Father was pleased that Jesus should be filled with …the Holy Spirit…’ as sure as the fullness of the Holy Spirit alighted on Jesus at Jesus’ baptism, and GOD SAID,…

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@Jael

Wow, that’s a lot of questions 🙂

You said:

Please can you show me scripture verses that say that Jesus ALWAYS HAD ‘divine and eternal essence’. Surely a verse says that ‘the Father was pleased that Jesus should be filled with …the Holy Spirit…’ as sure as the fullness of the Holy Spirit alighted on Jesus at Jesus’ baptism, and GOD SAID,…

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@AndrewAD

Good post. I agree that the Son was the only born son from eternity. I believe that the Son always existed within the Father and then at one point, as the Father’s first work, the Son was begotten (brought forth) from within the Father before creation and therefore became the firstborn over all creation as all things were created…[Read more]