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Lightenup replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 7 years, 11 months ago
Nick,
you said (numbers added):
1.The body of Christ includes all who have been reborn into him of water, in his name, and the Spirit.
2.The head is the Master of the Body and being ‘ beheaded’ that he might rule in us is essential.
3.We depend on him for guidance and leadership and he needs us to do his work here too.
4.His work is ser…
Lightenup replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 7 years, 11 months ago
Hi Gene,
Isaiah 42:8I am Jehovah, that is my name; and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise unto graven images.
Jeremiah 23:6 6In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely; and this is his name whereby he shall be called: Jehovah our righteousness.
Jehovah is the God of gods (Father) and the Lord of…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 7 years, 11 months ago
Nick,
This passage does not mention repentence and water baptism as needed first.
Romans 10: 1Brethren, my heart’s desire and my prayer to God for them is for their salvation. 2For I testify about them that they have a zeal for God, but not in accordance with knowledge. 3For not knowing about God’s righteousness and seeking to establish their own…
Lightenup replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 7 years, 11 months ago
Nick,
you said:
The body of Christ includes all who have been reborn into him of water, in his name, and the Spirit.
The head is the Master of the Body and being ‘ beheaded’ that he might rule in us is essential.
We depend on him for guidance and leadership and he needs us to do his work here too.
His work is serving his Father and his God…
Lightenup replied to the topic Mikeboll's belief in a flat world in the forum View Points 7 years, 11 months ago
Mike:
Thank you for acknowledging about the heavens being made on day two in a previous post. Now we have to talk about the water…
you said:
But between creating “the deep” and distinguishing heaven and earth as two distinct things with a firmament, God called for there to be light. Could that light have been the begetting of Jesus?
If so,…
Lightenup replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 7 years, 11 months ago
Hi Jodi,
Just this for now because it is late…
5Now Moses was faithful in all His house as a servant, for a testimony of those things which were to be spoken later; 6but Christ was faithful as a Son over His house—whose house we are, if we hold fast our confidence and the boast of our hope firm until the end.
Please note that there is a d…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic Mikeboll's belief in a flat world in the forum View Points 7 years, 11 months ago
Mike,
you said:
Hi Kathi, I’m 7 pages behind, and just got done with a 12 hour work day, so I’m answering briefly today in the hopes I get caught back up. What you make says sense in that it would be wise to have the aquarium ready before buying the fish. And it could be that on that first 24 hour day, God created the heavens (a dwelling pla…
Lightenup replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 7 years, 11 months ago
Nick,
You are avoiding the answer. How do you obey the two commands? Do you love the Son as yourself or as your Lord?
Lightenup replied to the topic Mikeboll's belief in a flat world in the forum View Points 7 years, 11 months ago
Hi Dig4truth,
I didn’t think you did that intentionally and I totally understand. Sometimes our devices seem to have a mind of their own, ha.
Do you think it is possible that the Light of day one which was likely ‘begotten’ not created, could be the begetting of the Son who is from eternity?
You can take your time and enjoy your tacos before…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 7 years, 11 months ago
Nick,
you said: He is Lord, but not God.
You have rightly said that they are distinct. Jehovah is both God and Lord, however.
Read this Nick:
Mark 12:28One of the Scribes approached him and he heard them debating and he saw that he had answered them beautifully and he asked him, “Which is the first commandment of all?” 29Yeshua said to him,…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 7 years, 11 months ago
Hi Jodi,
I’m glad that you also appreciate my time, thank you for mentioning that.
you said:
What is interesting is that we see persecution by Christ’s TRUE followers at the time of his death and resurrection, by the Roman emperors.
I don’t believe those “TRUE followers” were confessing that Jesus was just a man and should therefore not be w…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 7 years, 11 months ago
That’s right Nick and every knee bowing and calling him Lord Jehovah is going to fulfill the scriptures too.
Realize that the Son of God emptied Himself in order to become a man. After the resurrection, the Father gave up all His authority over heaven and earth to His Son till the Son destroys all His enemies. That’s huge!
Lightenup replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 7 years, 11 months ago
Jodi,
you wrote:
The scriptures tell us that Messiah/Christ is to come, raised up of the seed of David, he is begotten on a specific day in time which OCCURRED LONG after King David, he is a CHOSEN one OUT OF the PEOPLE to be a king for eternity, this seed of David is a MAN APPOINTED firstborn, his SOUL is delivered from the grave, in Jehovah’s N…
Lightenup replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 7 years, 11 months ago
Jodi,
You said:
Dr Rocco’s translation 1 Cor 8:6 To us, ours is one God The Father, for all things are from him and we are in him, and The One LORD JEHOVAH Yeshua The Messiah, for all things are by him, and we are also in his hand. Aramaic Bible in Plain English
All other translations 1 Corinthians 8:6 yet to us one God (theos) the Fat…
Lightenup replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 7 years, 11 months ago
Hi Jodi,
I do appreciate all the time that post took. I will try to keep my response in bite size pieces.
you said:
Jesus came in the name of his Father, the scriptures don’t attest to Jesus being the person of the name, otherwise he would be his own father. Jesus says his Father’s name is hallowed, it is sacred.
Actually the scriptures do att…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic Mikeboll's belief in a flat world in the forum View Points 7 years, 11 months ago
t8,
What that light is on day one is very relevant to this topic. Wouldn’t you agree since the topic is largely about what makes a day actually an evening and a morning, and what revolves around what, etc.?
Lightenup replied to the topic Mikeboll's belief in a flat world in the forum View Points 7 years, 11 months ago
Did4truth,
If you are going to quote me in the future, please quote the complete thought word for word so there is no confusion. I’m not normally so particular but with this about the Light of day one, I am.
My words:
The unformed and void heaven and earth and day and night were created on day one. Light was brought forth on day one, not…
Lightenup replied to the topic Mikeboll's belief in a flat world in the forum View Points 7 years, 11 months ago
Of course the Son was existing with God when the work of His begetting took place from God, His Father. Where else would He be but right there within Him?
John 17:For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from thee…
The Firstborn of all creation! The Light of the world!
Lightenup replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 7 years, 11 months ago
Nick,
You would be pretty useless on the earth as a man without flesh. It’s a strange thing to think that the flesh contributes nothing.
Messiah’s flesh provided the blood to shed to redeem the world. That’s a big deal!!
Lightenup replied to the topic Mikeboll's belief in a flat world in the forum View Points 7 years, 11 months ago
Hi Dig4truth,
you said:
Lightenup: “The unformed and void heaven and earth and day and night were created on day one. Light was brought forth on day one, not created. The created lights came on day 4.”
Sounds pretty good. Why do I feel like I’m being set up?
That’s good that you are thinking. The Light was begotten on day one. The Son is th…[Read more]
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