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Lightenup replied to the topic Mikeboll's belief in a flat world in the forum View Points 7 years, 9 months ago
Really Mike, I have to stop this. I have some other interests to attend to presently.
God bless you richly!
LU
Lightenup replied to the topic Our Messiah strictly from the OT in the forum Truth or Tradition 7 years, 9 months ago
Jodi,
I disagree with you on practically everything you write. It is not my desire to argue with you. I have answered your many questions more than once yet you keep asking the same things. I’m sorry that I haven’t been able to help you. If I think of something or come across scripture for your thread then I will post but I am not going to argue…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic Mikeboll's belief in a flat world in the forum View Points 7 years, 9 months ago
Mike,
you said: I think you are mistakingly attributing atmospheric qualities to the penumbra… as if the sunlight can hit one part of the penumbra and the light carries throughout the entire penumbra, making this shadow a light source of it’s own.
I think that atmospheric conditions, weather conditions, and temperature conditions certainly hav…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 7 years, 9 months ago
Hi Jodi,
13 He shall build an house for my name, and I will stablish the throne of his kingdom for ever. 14 I will be his father, and he shall be my son.
That is referring to Solomon.
6 Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion7 I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.
“This day…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic Mikeboll's belief in a flat world in the forum View Points 7 years, 9 months ago
Mike,
Maybe a neighbor, family member, or co-worker can loan you a globe on a stand that shows the tilt. I do think it will help you. Also, the timeanddate.com site has a lot of information about angles and such. If you study it as if they know what they are talking about, you could probably get the answers that you are looking for much better…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic Mikeboll's belief in a flat world in the forum View Points 7 years, 9 months ago
Mike,
you said:
Am I correct that we now agree on this fact, and that the claim that the moon is being lit BY the penumbra is erroneous?
I think the way I said it was unclear, so I’ll give you that. The light rays from the sun are indirectly in the penumbra, not direct rays. The atmosphere causes the direct rays from the sun to bend and scatter.…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic Our Messiah strictly from the OT in the forum Truth or Tradition 7 years, 9 months ago
Jodi
you asked:
PLEASE EXPLAIN the below passage LU and how it fits into your belief,
Consider the only begotten Son of God who was begotten before creation and the Firstborn of all creation, as the “ARM of Jehovah” who was the exact representation of the character of His Father. They are two in number, the same in essence, and one in unity.…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic Our Messiah strictly from the OT in the forum Truth or Tradition 7 years, 9 months ago
Here are a couple of OT passages with a couple of NT passages for clarity.
Isaiah 59:16
And He (Jehovah) saw that there was no man, And was astonished that there was no one to intercede; Then His own arm brought salvation to Him, And His righteousness upheld Him.
Jehovah’s OWN ARM (the only begotten Son of God) brought salvation to Him. J…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 7 years, 9 months ago
You are welcome, Anthony, spend some time on this passage, I think it is a very important verse that tells us that no man is or will be qualified to be the unblemished lamb and so Jehovah had to send His own Arm (His Son).
Isaiah 59:16
And He (Jehovah) saw that there was no man, And was astonished that there was no one to intercede; The…
Lightenup replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 7 years, 9 months ago
Isaiah 59:16
And He (Jehovah) saw that there was no man, And was astonished that there was no one to intercede; Then His own arm brought salvation to Him, And His righteousness upheld Him.
Jehovah’s OWN ARM brought salvation to Him. Jehovah’s own arm is not a mere man. Jehovah’s OWN ARM had to become a man because there WAS NO…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 7 years, 9 months ago
Here are some verses for you to read and pray through Anthony, they are the names, titles and characters of Jesus Christ. This should help you see that Jesus is a man, yes but much more than a man, a prophet, yes but much more than a prophet. Enjoy:
Lightenup replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 7 years, 9 months ago
Nick,
you said:
But after the Jordan he is said to be full of the Spirit. Lk4.1
And 2 Cor 5.19 tells us God was IN Christ.
21that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are IN me and I am IN you. May they also be IN us so that the world may believe that you have sent me. 22I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be one…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 7 years, 9 months ago
Nick,
you asked:
So God took a woman’s ovum and somehow formed a body for the Spirit to dwell in?
Do you expect Him to use her rib? It would not be impossible. We aren’t really told how God prepared the male body for the eternal Spirit of the Son to dwell in but we are told that He did and it was of the seed of David. It was said of Mary that s…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic Our Messiah strictly from the OT in the forum Truth or Tradition 7 years, 9 months ago
The Messiah is not a vessel for God, Nick. He is the eternal Son of God and only eternal Son of God, to be given the same honor and praise as God, His Father. A mere vessel does not get the same honor as the potter. Jesus was not a mere vessel or puppet. Jesus is to get and does get the same honor and praise as God His Father.
Lightenup replied to the topic Our Messiah strictly from the OT in the forum Truth or Tradition 7 years, 9 months ago
This verse:
Isaiah 9:6
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
This verse doesn’t say that the child shall be “made” a god, it says that his name shall be called the mighty…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 7 years, 9 months ago
Jodi,
you said:
If Jesus was in fact a MAN, than he was made of a seed of a man and the egg of a woman, as that is how you get humans. I already explained from the OT and from Paul’s words why Jesus was born of a virgin, and it had nothing to do with him being literally half man of a woman’s egg and half god.
Half god and half man is NOT a MAN…
Lightenup replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 7 years, 9 months ago
Jodi,
In an effort to show me where I said that Jesus was not a man but just looked like a man (which I never said, btw) you put this:
Hi Lu,
This is what you posted,
“Last night I saw that you said this and I have to say that I totally unite with you in what you said here about what an only begotten son would be!…..
But, of course, it is not…Lightenup replied to the topic Our Messiah strictly from the OT in the forum Truth or Tradition 7 years, 9 months ago
- Zechariah 12
4 In that day, saith Jehovah, I will smite every horse with terror, and his rider with madness; and I will open mine eyes upon the house of Judah, and will smite every horse of the peoples with blindness. 5 And the chieftains of Judah shall say in their heart, The inhabitants of Jerusalem are my strength in Jehovah of hosts their…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic Our Messiah strictly from the OT in the forum Truth or Tradition 7 years, 9 months ago
Jeremiah 23:6
5 Behold, the days come, saith Jehovah, that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and he shall reign as king and deal wisely, and shall execute justice and righteousness in the land. 6 In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely; and this is his name whereby he shall be called: Jehovah our righteousness.
Lightenup replied to the topic Our Messiah strictly from the OT in the forum Truth or Tradition 7 years, 9 months ago
Zechariah 11:13
13 And Jehovah said unto me, Cast it unto the potter, the goodly price that I was prized at by them. And I took the thirty pieces of silver, and cast them unto the potter, in the house of Jehovah.
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