Quote (SEEKING @ Mar. 29 2009,17:05)Quote On the other hand, you show that you want only to poke holes in my view and not really study what I have said. If you were to really study what I have said you would reply to the example I gave from Abraham's faith.I get it!  To present a view other than yours is to “only want to poke holes” in it.  For y…[Read more]

Thinker,My prayers are with you and your friend, Guy.God is good,LU

Thinker,I looked through about 5 commentaries and found that they agree with the term “worlds” in Hebrew 11:3 and that it refers to the physical creation. Here is just one of them:Heb 11:3Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear. By worlds,…[Read more]

Quote (thethinker @ Mar. 28 2009,12:49)Lightenup said:Quote Weren't the Hebrew Christians hoping for the new heavens and the new earth?Greetings again LU,Yes indeed! They were waiting for the COVENANTAL renewal of the heavens and the earth. All God's people today live under new covenant law. This is why we live without the fear that God will…[Read more]

Quote Hi SeekingThen what do you do with this scripture?Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again. No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father. John 10:17, 18WJ Hi Keith,In the…[Read more]

Quote (thethinker @ Mar. 28 2009,04:04)Lightenup said:Quote I suggested that the term “worlds” allowed for the earth and the planets. The word is translated as universe in the NIV which includes the earth and the planets.  It would have been better to just say worlds like some versions of the Bible do and like Heb 11:3 does since it is a plural…[Read more]

OK, thanks Nick.LU

Hi Nick,So does that mean that you agree that they had unity before Jordan? LU

Quote (thethinker @ Mar. 27 2009,19:47)Lightenup said:Quote I have studied this before and your question caused me to review.  I believe that the NAS should have it read plural as “worlds” instead of “world.”  I suppose that could include the planets along with the earth since it is written in a plural form in the Greek.LU,Your supposition that t…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 27 2009,16:23)Hi lU, Should WORLD not rather be AEONS?Hi nICK and Thinker too,Good question. I have studied this before and your question caused me to review.  I believe that the NAS should have it read plural as “worlds” instead of “world.”  I suppose that could include the planets along with the earth since it is w…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 27 2009,16:18)Hi lU, Since the Jordan the Son is forever in unity with God by the Spirit. He will return and God will rule with and through him.Ps2Hi nICK,So the Son was not in unity with His Father before the Jordan…can you show us where this is written? He knew who His Father was before the Jordan. I think the Son…[Read more]

Quote (thethinker @ Mar. 27 2009,11:50)Lightenup said:Quote What do you think the Father was doing during creation?LU,I said that there is not so much as one statement in the new testament that “attributes” creation to the Father. You and I may plan a ministry together but I may want to “attribute” all the success to you. Or you may want to “give”…[Read more]

Hi Nick,I know that I was letting the creative juices flow but I don't think the analogy is without merit.I have another analogy, remember this is not doctrine but an analogy. Don't get the two confused.I just bought a new MacBook Pro for my work and for fun yesterday. It has prompted this analogy:God is like the MacBook ProThe Son is like the…[Read more]

Quote (thethinker @ Mar. 26 2009,19:19)LightenUp said:Quote Hi Thinker,I disagree that the Father had no part in creation because of this verse:1 Cor 8:66 yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom are all things and we exist for Him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we exist through Him.Greetings LU,The “all…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 26 2009,21:55)Hi, God is one.The Father is the one men call GODHi Nick,For us there is one GOD and one God of GOD, together they have unity as our authority. Our authority is the Father and the Son, not the Father only. It is the Father's good pleasure to include the Son with Himself as our authority to love and care…[Read more]

Quote (seekingtruth @ Mar. 27 2009,09:21)I agree with Kathi, the Son is not equal to the Father but I believe scripture is clear the Father has given Jesuis all power in this corporeal realm which when all things are complete He submits back to the Father.Ephesians 1:21 far above all rule and authority, power and dominion, and every title that can…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 27 2009,00:44)Lightenup(Kathi)Quote I just don't think you are getting my mindset.That may be so since I can only go by the way I interpret your words but we communicate so you and I can straighten up any misconceptions that may occur.Lightenup(Kathi)Quote If we worship the Son are we not worshipping the Father also? We cannot…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 26 2009,21:21)Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 27 2009,12:27)Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 26 2009,14:16)Hi LU,Do you take this to mean we should worship two gods?Hi Nick,If we worship the Son are we not worshipping the Father also? We cannot worship the one without the other, they are the saving Godhead, the Most High God and His Son…[Read more]

Marty and Kerwin,I just don't think you are getting my mindset.

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 26 2009,14:16)Hi LU,Do you take this to mean we should worship two gods?Hi Nick,If we worship the Son are we not worshipping the Father also? We cannot worship the one without the other, they are the saving Godhead, the Most High God and His Son (the begotten God). The Most High God does not save us apart from His Son.…[Read more]