Quote (Tim Kraft @ April 23 2009,14:51)Does the expression “Trinity” matter? There's fire-flame-& heat, the three are one. We all wear many caps and are complex and have many differing aspects of self/personality.The mission of Jesus was to halt the Religious debachury that man had created to so called get to God. Jesus said turn from the old and…[Read more]

Marty,You and I were writing the same thoughts about the same time, you are just faster than me and I went longer Blessings,Kathi

Quote (kerwin @ April 28 2009,12:41)gollamudi wrote:Quote The original Hebrew version of Isa 7:14 does not imply any 'virigin' but only an 'young woman'.From what I understand the Hebrew word is like the word “maiden” which has multiple meanings.  One meaning of “maiden” being a virgin but another being an unwed woman.  I would not be surprised…[Read more]

Quote (SEEKING @ April 28 2009,18:13)Quote (Lightenup @ April 28 2009,13:16)Quote (SEEKING @ April 28 2009,14:17)Quote (Lightenup @ April 27 2009,20:03)This is how I understand it, you might find yourself a person who has studied Greek to verify this to you.I believe that the Son was begotten before He laid the foundation of the earth obviously…[Read more]

Quote (SEEKING @ April 28 2009,14:17)Quote (Lightenup @ April 27 2009,20:03)This is how I understand it, you might find yourself a person who has studied Greek to verify this to you.I believe that the Son was begotten before He laid the foundation of the earth obviously because if He wasn't alive, how could He have done that?God's…[Read more]

Hi Keith,You wrote:Quote Before time is before the beginning! If Jesus was before the beginning then he is before time and therefore he is eternal. In fact that makes him the creator of time, space and matter.When I say that the Son had His beginning before time I mean that the Son had His beginning before day one was even declared. The Light…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 27 2009,17:50)Hi KathiQuote (Lightenup @ April 28 2009,08:35)Keith,I am not attacking you specifically but I am confronting whoever follows a doctrine yet believes it has error but still follows it and defends it with a great deal of effort and time.  Something true-ish is not something to follow and defend.…[Read more]

Quote (942767 @ April 27 2009,23:25)Quote (Lightenup @ April 28 2009,14:32)Quote (942767 @ April 27 2009,19:47)Quote (Lightenup @ April 25 2009,12:42)Hi Is,He was declared the son “with power.”  He always was the son but now He was given authority so now He was given power.  That is how I understand that anyway.  Different ways of looking at th…[Read more]

Quote (SEEKING @ April 27 2009,21:17)Quote (Lightenup @ April 27 2009,02:13)Quote (SEEKING @ April 26 2009,21:32)Quote (thethinker @ April 26 2009,16:29)You have said that Jesus is literally the firstborn (a ridiculous idea I think). Adam was the literal firstborn of all mankind.thinkerAdam was created not born, Gen.1:27.Jesus was literally born…[Read more]

Quote (942767 @ April 27 2009,19:47)Quote (Lightenup @ April 25 2009,12:42)Hi Is,He was declared the son “with power.”  He always was the son but now He was given authority so now He was given power.  That is how I understand that anyway.  Different ways of looking at the same thing again. KHi Kathi:He was declared to be the Son of God with po…[Read more]

Keith,I am not attacking you specifically but I am confronting whoever follows a doctrine yet believes it has error but still follows it and defends it with a great deal of effort and time. Something true-ish is not something to follow and defend. Satan is happy with slight deviation. The problem I see is when a person believes there is error…[Read more]

Keith,If you include yourself in believing something that is “true-ish” then I think that you are correct to apply what I said above. I wrote that for the readers. You wrote:Quote Nationally; I am an American, Politically; I am an Independent conservative, Racially; I am a Caucasian white man, Religiously; I am a Hebrew\Judaic Christian,…[Read more]

To all,Some on Heaven Net claim to follow the trinity doctrine yet do not completely agree with every statement within it. That would make the doctrine “true-ish” but not completely true. Therefore, a doctrine that is not completely true is a false doctrine. We are not to follow such doctrines.What do others think?LU

Quote (thethinker @ April 27 2009,03:35)Lightenup said:Quote If we are going to define firstborn then lets look at the term as it relates to the perfect sacrifice since that is comparing apples to apples.  How Isaac and Ishmael were “firstborns” have nothing to do with how the Son was a firstborn unless you can produce evidence in scripture that…[Read more]

Quote (SEEKING @ April 26 2009,21:32)Quote (thethinker @ April 26 2009,16:29)You have said that Jesus is literally the firstborn (a ridiculous idea I think). Adam was the literal firstborn of all mankind.thinkerAdam was created not born, Gen.1:27.Jesus was literally born via the miraculous intervention of God, being the only one born of a…[Read more]

Quote (thethinker @ April 26 2009,19:29)Lightenup said:Quote If you think that a teaching exists in the Bible using the actual term “firstborn” as it applies to Ishmael and Isaac which ALSO says applies to Christ would you please present your scripture account?Let's first define the term “firstborn.” Ishmael was the firstborn literally but not…[Read more]

Quote (Cindy @ April 25 2009,11:36)Praise the Lord. I do not remember if I told you the good news, that our only Granddaughter Tiffany, is going to be Baptized tomorrow at 8:00 A.M. Service. She is 17 going on 21. We are so happy for Her. We have indeed been blessed. Thank you God.Peace and Love Irene:D Hi Irene,Rejoicing with you! I hope that…[Read more]

Kerwin,The new creature comes after the old creature. Each creature has a beginning; born once then born again.Firstborn of all creation…first to receive original life of all to receive original lifeFirstborn from the dead…first to receive the promised eternal life after death of all to receive the promised eternal life after death.LU

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 26 2009,16:36)Quote (kerwin @ April 27 2009,02:53)Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 26 2009,16:40)Hi KW, I am pleased God is not as scrupulous as men.encarta.msn.com definition of  scrupulous using Encarta® World English Dictionary © & (P)2009 Microsoft Corporation reads:Quote 1. having moral integrity: having or showing ca…[Read more]

To all,Here is where the term “firstborn” refers to the Son, twice. First He is the firstborn of all creation and secondly, He is the firstborn from the dead.Col 1:13-2013 For He rescued us from the domain of darkness, and transferred us to the kingdom of His beloved Son, 14 in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins. 15 He is the image…[Read more]