Thinker,I don't know how creation went specifically in detail. I heard a whisper in my ear like you did and it changed my life and understanding of who Jesus is. That whisper tied “firstborn of all creation” with “let there be light.” The heavens and the earth were not yet completed till after day one and that is clear to me.You say that the…[Read more]

Thinker,He definitly had less authority before the resurrection.K

Quote (thethinker @ May 04 2009,10:01)Lightenup wrote:Quote Thinker,The word is not eternal. I have shown that in another thread. I believe that the word in the beginning was “let there be light” which came at a specific time before day one was declared as day one.  That was the Light from LIGHT.  That light became flesh and came into our world t…[Read more]

Quote (thethinker @ May 04 2009,08:51)Lightenup said:Quote Thinker,Yes, He gets the fullness of His authority after His resurrection.  He does have some authority beforehand though.Hi Kathi,So the angels as well as men knew “assuredly” as the result of His assuming FULL authority.thinkerThe angels knew assuredly that Jesus was a savior, Christ…[Read more]

Quote (thethinker @ May 03 2009,15:53)Lightenup siad:Quote The angels knew assuredly that He was the savior, Christ the Lord when He was born and it was after His resurrection that mankind knew assuredly.  Knowing and knowing assuredly were two different senses of knowing.  He did not become Christ the Lord, He was Christ the Lord the day He was b…[Read more]

Quote (thethinker @ May 03 2009,19:46)Lightenup said:Quote We left that church to go to one that was more into the exegesis of scripture and we still are there.  I hadn't developed a relationship with the pastor there and he left.  Now we have had no senior pastor for almost three years.  I suppose they are having trouble finding a pastor that is…[Read more]

Quote (thethinker @ May 01 2009,16:44)Quote (Lightenup @ May 02 2009,03:53)Hello all,Here in Luke we have an announcement made from heaven that came way before the resurrection.  This announcement was made the day the baby Jesus was born to Mary.  On that day he was declared to be a savior, Christ the Lord.  He did not do one fleshly work to re…[Read more]

Quote (thethinker @ May 01 2009,12:15)Lightenup's source said:Quote The curse, as recorded in Jeremiah 22:30, causes a problem, though. Just five verses later, Jeremiah writes of the Messiah,”Behold the days are coming,” declares the LORD, “When I shall raise up for David a Righteous Branch; and He will reign as king and act wisely and do justice…[Read more]

Hello all,Here in Luke we have an announcement made from heaven that came way before the resurrection. This announcement was made the day the baby Jesus was born to Mary. On that day he was declared to be a savior, Christ the Lord. He did not do one fleshly work to receive that. It was not because He was the son of Joseph that He was born a…[Read more]

Hi Irene,Sure. I think that spiritual bodies are considered heavenly bodies…they are the same thing. Heavenly bodies can be on earth or in heaven, think about the angels. They can come and go from heaven to earth, back and forth. Our earthly bodies have been limited to stay here but heavenly bodies do not share the limits of earthly bodies,…[Read more]

Quote (bodhitharta @ April 30 2009,15:52)Quote (Lightenup @ May 01 2009,03:31)Hi Keith,Quote Its obvious what has happened to so many that have “forsaken the assembling of themselves” from the Church, the Body Of Christ and the assemblies of the saints.What is interesting is those who do go to churches often do not speak of their new found faith…[Read more]

Gene,You seem to assume that a person has to die to be transfigured from one body to the next. On the Mount of Transfiguration we read that Jesus's body changed but there was no death for that to happen. I think that is where you are hung up. I don't believe that the pre-existent Son had to die to change bodies.Bless you,Kathi

Hi Keith,Quote Its obvious what has happened to so many that have “forsaken the assembling of themselves” from the Church, the Body Of Christ and the assemblies of the saints.What is interesting is those who do go to churches often do not speak of their new found faith for fear that they my be reproved or corrected for their error. They blame it…[Read more]

To all,How many lives does the scripture say we have. Does it not say that we have a mortal life and then an immortal life,an earthly body and a heavenly body? We seem to get placed within two different bodies thus two different bodies receive the same life. First we have the perishable body, one life, then we put on the imperishable, which…[Read more]

Hi ya'll,Phil 2:14-1614 Do all things without grumbling or disputing; 15 so that you will prove yourselves to be blameless and innocent, children of God above reproach in the midst of a crooked and perverse generation, among whom you appear as lights in the world, 16 holding fast the word of life, so that in the day of Christ I will have reason to…[Read more]

Quote (SEEKING @ April 29 2009,17:48)Quote (Lightenup @ April 29 2009,14:45)Quote (SEEKING @ April 29 2009,13:03)Quote (Lightenup @ April 28 2009,19:56).  I think that the term “heavenly body” is a simile for the term “spiritual body.”  Look at this again and tell me what you think:Won't that be cool!  We get a cooler body someday.  The Son had…[Read more]

Hi all,I came across this explanation of the two differing genealogies in Matthew and Luke and thought it was good:Hello Lenny,I have been a serious Christian for several years. My faith continued to grow as a studied the bible and saw the word of God. As I was one of those “converted engineers”, studying the Bible and reading apologetics were key…[Read more]

Quote (SEEKING @ April 29 2009,13:03)Quote (Lightenup @ April 28 2009,19:56).  I think that the term “heavenly body” is a simile for the term “spiritual body.”  Look at this again and tell me what you think:Won't that be cool!  We get a cooler body someday.  The Son had to give up His cool heavenly body for this very limited earthly body.  He in a…[Read more]

Thinker,You have not convinced me…sorry! Good anger management though LU

Hi all,Nothing had come into being until AFTER day 1 except the Light, the heavens and the earth were not completed before day one and hence did not fully come into being. On day one, Light was brought forth. After light was brought forth is when the earth got its name and heaven got its name. Neither had come into being (to completion) till…[Read more]