Quote (eveh @ Aug. 29 2009,20:43)Jesus said he was the son of God. The apostles said he was the Son of God. God said Jesus was his Son. Even the Devil knew him as the Son of God. The Demons he cast out, knew him as the Son of God.  And still, the church world decided this could not be true. So they invented their own religion. IT is not what…[Read more]

David,When the scripture says that God is a spirit, it isn't talking about His nature that I call “divine”, IMO, it is talking about Him not being a flesh and blood being but a spirit being. The angels are a spirit being with the nature of an angel. The Father and Son are spirit beings with the nature of a god.

David,Where does the scripture say that angels have a divine nature? I believe they have a supernatural nature but not a divine nature. Please show me. LU

Quote (theodorej @ Aug. 29 2009,18:56)Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 30 2009,09:39)Can Jesus be God because HE shares the nature of His Father who is the Most High God.  A son of man is man because he shares the nature of man.  In the same reasoning, a son of God is God because He shares the nature of God.  He would not be the God who always existed th…[Read more]

Quote (david @ Aug. 29 2009,18:41)Quote No David, we “become” partakers” of the divine nature, we didn't originally have it…the Son did.  The Son is perfect and always was, we are not.  Big difference!But when someone becomes a “partaker” of divine nature, they have “divine nature” do they not?All I'm saying is this “big difference” isn't b…[Read more]

Wow, Rokka, I think were are in sync!

Quote (RokkaMan @ Aug. 29 2009,18:31)To further clarify, it says in the beginning mankind was created in God's image.The NT says Jesus IS the express image.Please there is a difference in being created in God's image or possessing his nature, than actually Being God's Nature…And it said Jesus WHO IS THE EXPRESS IMAGE…it didn't say who is in…[Read more]

Quote (david @ Aug. 29 2009,17:27)Quote (RokkaMan @ Aug. 30 2009,09:24)Quote (Nick Hassan @ Aug. 30 2009,09:20)Hi R, So being in the form of God really means being God?YesDoes having “divine nature” mean you're God?(2 Pet 1:4)No David, we “become” partakers” of the divine nature, we didn't originally have it…the Son did. The Son is perfect and…[Read more]

Can Jesus be God because HE shares the nature of His Father who is the Most High God. A son of man is man because he shares the nature of man. In the same reasoning, a son of God is God because He shares the nature of God. He would not be the God who always existed though. Therefore, He would not be the Most High God. He would be the ONLY…[Read more]

Quote (thethinker @ Aug. 27 2009,11:52)Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 27 2009,08:25)Keith and Thinker,A good pair you two make!  God bless you inspite of yourselves as you argue away.  I'm not into the arguing of the same points over and over.  You can reread my posts on those points instead of me repeating them.Thinker I hope your wife is ok from the ca…[Read more]

Keith and Thinker,A good pair you two make! God bless you inspite of yourselves as you argue away. I'm not into the arguing of the same points over and over. You can reread my posts on those points instead of me repeating them.Thinker I hope your wife is ok from the car accident…that kind of thing really shakes a person up.Keep that oxygen…[Read more]

Keith,This is my feelings about extra-Biblical words:Quote Keith,I have trouble with extra-Biblical terms when I do not see a clear Biblical teaching to back them up.Kathi

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 24 2009,17:34)Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 24 2009,17:26)Quote (Nick Hassan @ Aug. 24 2009,17:10)Hi LU, Jesus gave up his own spirit at calvary. He died. His faith extended beyond death to continued life in the Spirit of his God.Nick,I understand that Jesus had a united spirit with the Father within Him which He committed…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 24 2009,18:06)Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 24 2009,17:54)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 24 2009,17:34)Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 24 2009,17:26)Quote (Nick Hassan @ Aug. 24 2009,17:10)Hi LU, Jesus gave up his own spirit at calvary. He died. His faith extended beyond death to continued life in the Spirit of his God.Nick,I…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 24 2009,17:34)Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 24 2009,17:26)Quote (Nick Hassan @ Aug. 24 2009,17:10)Hi LU, Jesus gave up his own spirit at calvary. He died. His faith extended beyond death to continued life in the Spirit of his God.Nick,I understand that Jesus had a united spirit with the Father within Him which He committed…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 24 2009,17:24)Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 24 2009,17:17)Quote (Nick Hassan @ Aug. 24 2009,17:04)Hi LU, In light of Romans 8 can you tell us that the Spirit of Christ is not the Spirit of God in him?Hi Nick,See page 20, 2nd post from the top.  I have discussed Romans 8 there.  Please note that the Father's Spirit has no n…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Aug. 24 2009,17:10)Hi LU, Jesus gave up his own spirit at calvary. He died. His faith extended beyond death to continued life in the Spirit of his God.Nick,I understand that Jesus had a united spirit with the Father within Him which He committed into the hands of the Father. The body without the spirit is dead.James 2:2626…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Aug. 24 2009,17:04)Hi LU, In light of Romans 8 can you tell us that the Spirit of Christ is not the Spirit of God in him?Hi Nick,See page 20, 2nd post from the top. I have discussed Romans 8 there. Please note that the Father's Spirit has no need to cry out “Abba Father” for the Father has no Father. Since the Son's spirit…[Read more]

Hi Keith,Thank you for discussing this with me. I disagree with you but I don't have anything more to offer right now. Maybe I was just supposed to dig deeper in the scriptures and I appreciate you and Thinker for your challenges. I am confident with what I have shared. I believe that I have overcome your challenges and I have no desire to…[Read more]

Quote (thethinker @ Aug. 23 2009,22:26)Lightenup said:Quote Thinker,Whether or not your resource says middle or middle passive and mine say passive, neither say that the verb in question is in the active voice.  If it is the middle voice that can simply mean that Jesus participated in the action of raising up but was initiated externally.  So, H…[Read more]