Hi all,Here is what Calvin wrote about the Col 1 'firstborn':Quote The first-born of every creature. The reason of this appellation is immediately added — For in him all things are created, as he is, three verses afterwards, called the first-begotten from the dead, because by him we all rise again. Hence, he is not called the first-born, simply o…[Read more]

Quote (davidbfun @ July 16 2010,20:41)Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 17 2010,00:04)Ps, we are stomping on Kathi's thread about when Jesus was begotten here.  Sorry Kathi……..carry on – as Karmarie would say. mikeHi Mike and Kathi,One thing I did learn from all of this was the concept of beget.  I thought begetting and being born was the same thing h…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 16 2010,00:04)Ps, we are stomping on Kathi's thread about when Jesus was begotten here.  Sorry Kathi……..carry on – as Karmarie would say. mikeThanks Mike for trying to keep us on topic. Good moderator…very good

Quote (davidbfun @ July 16 2010,20:29)Quote (Lightenup @ July 15 2010,19:02)Quote (davidbfun @ July 14 2010,18:40)Hi Kathi,Jesus was face to face with his physical mother Mary and what did he call her but “Woman” (John 2.4) so does that mean that we can not call Mary his mother?  In another instance he didn't recognize her presence but said, “Who…[Read more]

Quote (barley @ July 16 2010,18:58)Quote (Lightenup @ July 17 2010,10:45)What is everyone's definition of divinity?  Maybe we are all speaking in a different 'language' as far as what constitutes divinity.  Since Jesus is said to be god/God and so is the Father, then what are both of them that could be defined as divinity whereas others called g…[Read more]

What is everyone's definition of divinity? Maybe we are all speaking in a different 'language' as far as what constitutes divinity. Since Jesus is said to be god/God and so is the Father, then what are both of them that could be defined as divinity whereas others called god are not?

Oh, and I don't want to forget this one. If the Holy Spirit were the Mother, don't ya think that 'she' would know the 'Father' and the 'Son?'Matthew 11:27 NASB 27″All things have been handed over to Me by My Father; and no one knows the Son except the Father; nor does anyone know the Father except the Son, and anyone to whom the Son wills to…[Read more]

Hi,I really do not see the teaching in scriptures that the Holy Spirit is the 'Mother' of Jesus. When I read these scriptures below, if the Holy Spirit was equally the Mother of the Son of God as the Father is the Father of the Son of God, why is the Holy Spirit not mentioned in most if not all of these along with the Father?Matt 24:3636 “But of…[Read more]

Thanks Mike for that song.  I like Chapman but haven't heard that song.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unlF2jrLzhQ

Nick,No matter if I show you several scriptures…you will doubt. You will learn better to go to God directly and let Him explain.

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 14 2010,19:16)Hi Kathi,How you holdin' up?     I want to share the results of some research I did for Jack's “pasa ktisis” thread.  These knuckleheads keep saying “firstborn of all creation” means “preeminent over mankind” without ever showing any proof of this.  And they “poo-poo” the Eusebius and Ignatius proof we sho…[Read more]

Quote (Arnold @ July 14 2010,18:58)Quote (Lightenup @ July 15 2010,07:34)If God has the nature of a god and He begat a Son of the same nature, then the Son has the nature of a god and the Son that is a god by nature became flesh, then a god became flesh.  This would be Emmanuel…the god with us.  The Son is god by nature, but God of G…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 14 2010,18:57)Hi LU, Really, Do you have scriptural support or just your view of Phil2?Nick,Ask God to show you His meaning of Phil 2.

Quote (davidbfun @ July 14 2010,18:40)Hi Kathi,Jesus was face to face with his physical mother Mary and what did he call her but “Woman” (John 2.4) so does that mean that we can not call Mary his mother?  In another instance he didn't recognize her presence but said, “Who is my mother…” (Mt 12.46+; Mk 3) In Lu 2:48-9 Look at his response to her…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 14 2010,18:06)Hi LU,God has all power and He gave that anointing to Jesus CHRIST at the JordanNick,The power He gave at the Jordan was what He had before He came as a man but emptied Himself of. He has a history as a Son before the conception within Mary. That is something nobody else can say. You didn't have a history…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 14 2010,15:47)Hi LU, Logic does not cut it.God was IN ChristNick,Rom 1:2020 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse. NASUWe can understand things through what has…[Read more]

Quote (RokkaMan @ July 14 2010,16:08)Quote (Lightenup @ July 15 2010,07:34)If God has the nature of a god and He begat a Son of the same nature, then the Son has the nature of a god and the Son that is a god by nature became flesh, then a god became flesh.  This would be Emmanuel…the god with us.  The Son is god by nature, but God of G…[Read more]

And the Word of God is the Firstborn over all creation. The Firstborn is the Son of God.

If God has the nature of a god and He begat a Son of the same nature, then the Son has the nature of a god and the Son that is a god by nature became flesh, then a god became flesh. This would be Emmanuel…the god with us. The Son is god by nature, but God of God…capital G…because of His Father's exalting His position to the same level…at…[Read more]

Nick,If He was powerless before Jordan how did He create all things in heaven and on earth?