Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ July 27 2010,10:59)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 28 2010,02:38)KathiQuote (Lightenup @ July 26 2010,18:47)He didn't say the I and the Father “am” one.No that would be improper english.But he did say I and the Father “are one” not “are one” in unity. But he also said he was the “I am”, didn't he?Quote (Lightenup @ July 26…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ July 24 2010,12:06)Quote (davidbfun @ July 23 2010,22:04)Quote (Lightenup @ July 23 2010,23:19)Hi Davidbfun,Tell me why the Holy Spirit is not listed in these verses if the Holy Spirit is indeed equally a separate person as the Son and the Father.There is no need to explain gender at this point.  I don't even believe that the…[Read more]

I agree with you that Jesus existed prior to His existence in the flesh as the Son of God.

Hi Mike,I think that Calvin agrees with you too:Quote 62. What if you shall see the Son of man ascend to where he was before? The mean and despicable condition of Christ which they saw before their eyes, while, clothed with flesh, he was not at all different from other men, prevented them from submitting to his Divine power; but now — by w…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 26 2010,18:09)Quote (Lightenup @ July 26 2010,17:55)I believe all that but I also believe that scriptures support the Son being the firstborn over all creation and that firstborn created all things in heaven and on earth.KathiAmbiguous, for the term “firstborn” in relation to Jesus simply means he has the preeminence…[Read more]

Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ July 26 2010,18:42)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 27 2010,09:52)Quote (Lightenup @ July 26 2010,17:38)Well,I see it where He was begotten as the Son of God before the ages, begotten as the Son of God as a man in Mary, begotten from the dead at the resurrection.KathiYet we know he existed when he was begotten as the Son of…[Read more]

I don't believe that Christ is a member of creation.

He didn't say that I and the Father “am” one.  I believe in unity within the Godhead.  The beginning that I believe in is the beginning of a separate person than the Father.  Most early Christians believe that the separate person had a beginning in His separateness.  His eternal substance could very well be within a seed in the Father which bor…[Read more]

Keith,You admit speculation on your part. I asked God and came up with the understanding that the Son is a true Son begotten before the ages. I can not deny that.

I believe all that but I also believe that scriptures support the Son being the firstborn over all creation and that firstborn created all things in heaven and on earth.

Well,I see it where He was begotten as the Son of God before the ages, begotten as the Son of God as a man in Mary, begotten from the dead at the resurrection.

Keith,You do know that you and roo differ on when this begotten takes place don't you?

Roo,I never said that the Father begets the way a human father begets. The womb that I suggest could be the bosom of God, I don't know, it is not like a flesh womb. God is not flesh and doesn't bring forth offspring like flesh. That doesn't mean that He can't bring forth offspring in His own way. I'm talking about a true offspring…one like…[Read more]

Roo,You are the volcano of love. The fruit of the spirit just leaks from your pores…hmmm My Jesus is the true Son of God. God of God. I have never spoken about God having sex with a goddess like Greek mythology, nor has Mike.You condem not only me but many of the early Christians that place the begetting of the Son before the ages. The…[Read more]

Two blind men are healed and saved.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6OrW1nkd2U8&feature=related

Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ July 20 2010,15:11)WJ said:Quote All doesn't mean all.“All” means what Mike wants it to mean when he wants it to mean it.WJ:Quote Jesus is god but not my god but someones god.  WJ:Quote Jesus had a begining before the ages but yet he was born on a specific day before time.Yeah and Mike is a history revisionist and now he's…[Read more]

Quote (karmarie @ July 25 2010,05:21)The Holy Spirit is the bridge to God within. It is the part of your mind—the part of your Spirit—that is joined with the Mind of God. The Holy Spirit is the voice for God and acts as a reminder of Gods love. God loves His children so much that He wanted them to always know that they are safe, they are lov…[Read more]

Quote (theodorej @ July 25 2010,07:13)Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 17 2009,14:37)Trinitarians believe that the Holy Spirit is a separate “being” of the triune God.  I suggest this was not the message of scriptures.  It is never mentioned of the Spirit as being the “third person of the trinity” anywhere in scriptures.  As Michael L. Brown says in An…[Read more]

Quote (shimmer @ July 24 2010,17:15)LU, ok, thanks for the advice.David, My apologies to you and EdJ.I'l turn a new leaf.You're welcome…I wish you all the best! Iron sharpens iron

Quote (davidbfun @ July 23 2010,22:04)Quote (Lightenup @ July 23 2010,23:19)Hi Davidbfun,Tell me why the Holy Spirit is not listed in these verses if the Holy Spirit is indeed equally a separate person as the Son and the Father.There is no need to explain gender at this point.  I don't even believe that the Holy Spirit is equally a separate…[Read more]