Jodi,

You said: YLT SUPPORTS MY VIEW, a word that means messenger should be translated as messenger!

Your view says that Heb 1 is about earthly messengers, not celestial messengers. YLT calls celestial angels “messengers”. For instance, see here throughout this passage, the angel is called a messenger in the YLT translation:

11And there appeared…

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@mikeboll64

You said: The one through whom God created the world was not God.

Yes He was. He just wasn’t God the Father.

Look at verse 4…

…having become as much superior to angels as the name he has inherited is more excellent than theirs.

Do you really imagine that there was a time when God became superior to the angels by inheriting a bet…

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DannyDabbs

You said to Jodi and Gene: Maybe you are right that Jesus started His life as a human being.
Born of the Holy Spirit from Mary.

All men have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. That alone should tell you that Jesus, who had no sin, was not part of the “all men.” Jesus took on the sins of the whole world. If Jesus was just a man…[Read more]

Jodi,

You said:

Applying the surrounding context to a word as well as the truth given from all other scriptures, is how you determine the correct meaning of a word that holds multiple meanings.

Agree, and that is why the word should be translated as “angels.”

Gene,

You are welcome to address me in a PM but please respect the integrity of this closed discussion. Thanks.

Jodi,

Where are human beings called ministering spirits elsewhere?

Hi Jodi,

There are only a few things needed to answer most or all of your “Please explain…” post.

God the Father is the head of the YHVH Unity that includes the Son and the Holy Spirit. The Unity alone created the universe.

The Son emptied Himself of His divine majesty and took the form of a human servant, then was later highly exalted above…[Read more]

Jodi,

You said:

What you said contradicts so many scriptures, you very much so lean on your private interpretations rather than applying scripture with scripture.

I’ve said many things, what exactly are you referring to.

On a side note, I find it ironic that you think that I am leaning on my private interpretations when you have exposed yourself…[Read more]

Gene,

You and Jodi don’t have a Bible translation that agrees with you. How can we have a Biblically based discussion when you believe all Bible translations are wrong?

You both live in your own world of delusion and twist the scriptures to conform to YOUR WORD, not God’s word. Wake up! There’s a reason you can’t find a Biblical transla…[Read more]

Jodi,

You asked Danny:

how was it that

Jesus was obedient and still is obedient and will return and be obedient?

Sorry for budding in here, Jesus is not the head of the YHVH unity, the head of the Unity is His Father. Of course He would obey the head of the YHVH Unity, He always has been a perfect son. He is obediently reigning over the whole…[Read more]

Hi Jodi,

You said:

I would argue that translators followed already held doctrines when they rendered their translations and by such they got a lot of things wrong.

Opinion: they got a lot of things wrong

Fact: So, there are no Bible translations that support your view then.

Fact:  All Bible translations support my view.

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Jodi,

Do you believe that YHVH is both our one God and our one Lord? Or do you believe that YHVH is only our one God but not our one Lord?

Gene,

You say:

Lu……Yes i would , but there are so many that say the opposite, even Jesus’ very own words he said himself.

There is nothing that says the opposite if you understand scriptures properly.

Have a great day,

LU

Hi Jodi,

Regarding this:

Hi LU,

YOU (LU):

Do you think that the “righteousness of one” is sufficient to cover our failures or do we need to attain our own righteousness to be at one with God?

ME (Jodi):

Of course we are to obtain our own righteousness without it we’d go on sinning.

I have good news for you…we don’t have to obtain our own r…[Read more]

Hi Jodi,

Do you think that the “righteousness of one” is sufficient to cover our failures or do we need to attain our own righteousness to be at one with God?

Hi Jodi,

Can you show me these five words together in scripture:

YHVH our one God the Father

Gene,

If you knew for sure that these words were said about the Son, would your doctrine change?

Psalm 102

24I say, “O my God (the Son), do not take me away in the midst of my days,
Your years (the Son’ years) are throughout all generations.

25“Of old You (the Son) founded the earth,
And the heavens are the work of Your hands (the Son’ hands).…[Read more]

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Hi Jodi,

I’m refreshing this conversation. Did you see my last question to you?

Danny Dabbs,

You said: We need BOTH the Father and the Son.

Absolutely!