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    Mike,

    You said: Kathi, aside from presuming that you know more about “YHVH our Righteousness” than the Apostles who prayed in Acts 4, is there any argument you can give to change the fact that these Apostles and disciples – who saw Jesus with their own eyes, touched him with their own hands, and learned from his own mouth – clearly prayed to the…

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    Lightenup replied to the topic LU/Jodi Discussion in the forum Debates 5 years, 1 month ago

    Hi Jodi,

    What Bible translation agrees with you that human messengers are meant instead of celestial angels?

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    Lightenup replied to the topic LU/Jodi Discussion in the forum Debates 5 years, 1 month ago

    Jodi,

    The reason that I asked you what the Greek word for “prophet” is, was because you showed that you understand all the references to aggelos in Heb 1 to mean “prophets.”

    If  “prophets” were meant throughout Heb 1, the Greek word “prophétés” would have been used, as it was in Heb 1:1, instead of aggelos. Therefore, I clearly don’t think th…[Read more]

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    Lightenup replied to the topic LU/Jodi Discussion in the forum Debates 5 years, 1 month ago

    Hi Jodi,

    You asked:

    Can you clarify your rendering of  “you”, “him”  and “he”  as angel please?

    Heb 1

    5For to which of the angels did God ever say:

    “You are My Son;

    today I have become Your Father”?

    Or again:

    “I will be His Father,

    and He will be My Son”?

    Basically, this question to the celestial angels was to point out that, what the Fat…[Read more]

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    Jodi,

    You’re welcome, I look forward to your passages.

    LU

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    Lightenup replied to the topic LU/Jodi Discussion in the forum Debates 5 years, 1 month ago

    Jodi, I noticed that you answered this because it showed up in my notifications, for some reason it is not here though. Do you want to copy and paste it here or would you like me to?

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    Hi Jodi,

    There needed to be “an event” because God is not only loving and merciful but is also just and gave mankind a fine to pay, if you will, for our sin. No one could pay their fine, so since the fine had to be paid through the shedding of blood (as per the Father’s plan), the Father sent His Son to take on flesh (which is how the…[Read more]

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    Jodi,

    You asked:

    Why would God forgive all the world’s sins through His Son Jesus Christ?

    He offers forgiveness to the whole world through His Son Jesus Christ because of the Father’s loving kindness and great mercy, not willing that all would perish.

    I hope that answers your question.

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    Lightenup replied to the topic LU/Jodi Discussion in the forum Debates 5 years, 1 month ago

    Thank you for your willingness to discuss this just between the two of us to avoid the distraction of many voices.

    My first question to you is this…do you know what the Greek word translated as “prophet” is?

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      Greek
      profhvthß from a compound of (4253) and (5346)
      Transliterated Word
      Prophetes
      compounds Pro- before and Phemi- to make know, to say
      1. in Greek writings, an interpreter of oracles or of other hidden things
      2. one who, moved by the Spirit of God and hence his organ or spokesman, solemnly declares to men what he has received by…[Read more]

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    Lightenup replied to the topic LU/Jodi Discussion in the forum Debates 5 years, 1 month ago

    Jodi, this is a copy of your response:

    Hi LU,

    Great idea,

    Here is mine,

    1 God (Father), who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,

    2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son (Jesus), whom he (Father) hath appointed heir of all things, by (dia- on account of) whom also he (Father)…[Read more]

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    Lightenup replied to the topic LU/Jodi Discussion in the forum Debates 5 years, 1 month ago

    I am moving our discussion on Hebrews 1 to this place from the John 1:1 topic. I wrote part of Hebrews 1 down and in parenthesis, I put my understanding as to who the pronouns stood for. Here it is:

    Hi Jodi,
    This is how I read this:

    Heb 1:5

    5For to which of the angels did He (Father) ever say:

    “You (Angel) are My Son,
    Today I (Father) have b…[Read more]

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    Hello,

    Thank you Jodi for agreeing to discuss some Biblical matters in a one on one discussion format with me.

    All other members, enjoy reading our conversation but please refrain from posting on this discussion topic. Thanks!

     

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    Hi Jodi,

    Before I repond, I would like to ask if you have gotten my private message to you? And if so, could you please respond to it? Thanks.

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    Mike,

    You seem to miss the spirit of one person doing something “through” another person. There are times when Jesus does things “through” the Father, and there are times when the Father does things “through” the Son. Both persons are significant in the action accomplished and both should be honored. You continually diminish the Son’s role in…[Read more]

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    Great video PC, I have listened to that evangelist many times and always impressed with his level headed approach and gentle but firm questions and responses. I wonder what happened to STU, remember him the HN atheist. I hope he found Jesus as his personal Lord and savior.

    Take care, LU

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    Hi Jodi,
    This is how I read this:

    Heb 1:5

    5For to which of the angels did He (Father) ever say:

    “You (Angel) are My Son,
    Today I (Father) have begotten You (Angel)”?

    And again:

    “I(Father) will be to Him (Angel) a Father,
    And He (Angel) shall be to Me a Son”?

    6But when He again brings the firstborn (Jesus) into the world, He(Father) says:…[Read more]

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    Jodi,

    This is how I read this:

    Heb 1:5

    5For to which of the angels did He (Father) ever say:

    “You (Angel) are My Son,
    Today I (Father) have begotten You (Angel)”?

    And again:

    “I(Father) will be to Him (Angel) a Father,
    And He (Angel) shall be to Me a Son”?

    6But when He again brings the firstborn (Jesus) into the world, He(Father) says:…[Read more]

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    Thanks Berean!

    Many blessings for a great weekend,

    LU

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    Jodi,

    The “servant” here and “messengers” in Isaiah 44:26 are the prophets of God and apostles sent by God in general as opposed to the false prophets. I do agree that the Son serves his Father faithfully. We differ in that I believe that the Son served his Father faithfully during creation and after creation, before Mary and after Mary. S…[Read more]

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    Jodi,

    The “servant” here and “messengers” in Isaiah 44:26 are the prophets of God and apostles sent by God in general as opposed to the false prophets. I do agree that the Son serves his Father faithfully. We differ in that I believe that the Son served his Father faithfully during creation and after creation, before Mary and after Mary. Serving…[Read more]

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