Carmel,

Jesus rose on the third day. Jesus was always perfect. Jesus is not the Father. Jesus did not inherit the nations until he returned to the Father on the the day Psalms 2 refers to, the day of his resurrection.

Hi Berean

You said:

A point where I agree with you IS THAT YES JESUS ON THE THIRD DAY OR THE FOLLOWING DAY WENT TO THE FATHER.

Great! I believe that the ascension to the Father in the active sense by the Son was in-between when Jesus had risen and appeared to Mary and meeting with the men on the road to Emmaus. I believe that because Psalms 2…[Read more]

Carmel,

The Son of Man IS Jesus who before He became Jesus, the Son of Man (aka Son of David) was the only begotten Son of God, begotten before the ages, who was anointed to become flesh and suffer on the cross as the promised Messiah to take away our sins and then inherit the nations.

Your turn 🙂

Gene,

Read this:

John 8:21Then He said again to them, “I go away, and you will seek Me, and will die in your sin; where I am going, you cannot come.” 22So the Jews were saying, “Surely He will not kill Himself, will He, since He says, ‘Where I am going, you cannot come’?” 23And He was saying to them, “You are from below, I am from above; you are…

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Proclaimer,

Please address this post that was posted about 11 days ago:

Proclaimer:

You said:

If you agree that the first Adam was a prototype, then why not the final Adam?

LU: The second Adam was a life giving spirit. Is there another person that is a life giving spirit modeled after the second Adam? I don’t know of any.

Jesus is the f…

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Carmel,

Are you clear that the Son of Man did not inherit the nations before His crucifixion but instead after?

Just yes or no Carmel, please don’t make it complicated.

Hi Berean,

You said:

LUK 24
And it came to pass, while he blessed them, he was parted from them, and carried up into heaven.

This verse shows us that Jesus is not the author of the action to go to HEAVEN.

“he was parted from them, and carried up into heaven.”

It’s the “passive voice.”

That’s great Berean, you are getting the idea of the pass…[Read more]

Hi Berean,

You said:

In the case of Jesus “Resurrection” means physically passing from death to life.
And “ascension” to “rise” from earth to HEAVEN.

Can you show me a verse that Jesus was resurrected before He met Mary in the garden where the verse actually has the Greek word for “resurrected” and not just “raised up?”

I believe that the ra…[Read more]

Carmel,

Psalms 2 tells us that it is after the Son returns to the Father at the ascension when He inherits the nations and makes it clear that the Son did not already have them until then.

Psalms 2:7

“I will declare the decree:
The Lord has said to Me,
‘You are My Son,
Today I have begotten You.
8Ask of Me, and I will give You
The nations f…

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Berean,

You forgot this

RESURRECTION

Strong’s #386 anastasis: a standing up, i.e. a resurrection, a raising up, rising.

Jesus raised up His “temple” on the third day by ascending to the Father.

Both words you listed can mean rise/raise up.

God raised Jesus through the power of the Holy Spirit, from the dead and showed Him to Mary. Then Jesus…[Read more]

Gene,

I choose to make Jesus Lord of my life or not, no one can force me. My God is much bigger than a god that forces his will on others.

Berean,

Jesus laid down His life for His sheep starting with the agreement to empty Himself and become a bondservant. He took it up again when He ascended back to His Father and received all authority in heaven and on earth. His ascension to the Father on day three after He was talking to Mary is the part of the resurrection that Jesus did by His…[Read more]

Berean,

LU: Can you show me a verse that is about Jesus’s resurrection that the grammar shows Jesus doing the action in an active voice as opposed to a passive voice?

Berean:

… in an active voice …!!!???

Sorry, that is confusing if you do not know Greek grammar. You see, the verbs in Greek have specific endings that tell many things about the v…[Read more]

Gene,

If our will was not greater than God’s will, we wouldn’t be asked to surrender our will. God can make us do things against our will if He needs to but that would be merciful, not obligatory. God wants us to lay down our life and take up our cross, He doesn’t force us to however. We have a choice. When we lay down our life and take up our…[Read more]

Interesting Proclaimer, thanks for posting. Another example of the rocks crying out!

Gene, if the Holy Spirit possesses us and forces us to speak and act and obey, when we receive the Holy Spirit, then the fruit of the Spirit would not be “self-control” it would be other controlled.

Galatians 5:22But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23gentleness, and self-control.

The fruit…[Read more]

Berean,

Can you show me a verse that is about Jesus’s resurrection that the grammar shows Jesus doing the action in an active voice as opposed to a passive voice?

Hi Berean,

Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.

The phrase “I will raise” is written in the active voice as opposed to the passive voice. The active voice in Greek means that the subject does the action. Jesus will raise His body up Himself.

On the third day, this is the only part of the complete resurrection that was…[Read more]

So, now that you know about the Greek words for Christ and anointing, this still stands:

Hi Gene,

I believe that it was the Spirit of Christ speaking through the prophet who wrote the words down,  which shows the existence of Christ in the OT.

Gene,

You said: LU……Yes the “Spirit” . Of the anointing, ie the Christo’s, ,  which is the Spirit of GOD .

Well, it is the Spirit of the God who inherits the nations, for sure. And to say that the Spirit of Christ should be understood as the spirit of the anointing is incorrect. That would be a different Greek word. Proof::

1 Peter 1:

10As t…

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