Mike,

Do you think that God, the Father can bring forth a Son from His own eternal uncreated essence?

or

Do you believe that the Son can only come forth from essence that did not exist at one point and thus created essence?

Good words, Berean and Danny!

Thanks again for the uplifting music Berean, I got to see Don Moen in person years ago. It was a fantastic concert.

God bless you two! LU

@Proclaimer and all,

If YHVH is God of gods and Lord of lords, and there is one God and one Lord and they happen to be two persons, then the YHVH who is God, is one person WITH the YHVH who is Lord, another person. And then, if one of those two persons happens to be the Father of the other person, there would be a distinction in authority within…[Read more]

@Proclaimer

Are you ok?

The post that I want addressed is on this page dated March 29, 2021 at 5:10 pm #869994.

It is really unlike you to ask so many times to remind you what passage that I have been waiting for you to address. I am sincere in my concern. I hope you are ok.

Mike,

Plural majesty is a possibility which could mean the singular word in a fuller sense. The fullness of God is Father, Son and Spirit.

YHWH created the world. YHWH is God of gods and Lord of lords.
Jesus is the Lord of lords. All things were made through Him.

Mike,

Regarding the “s” for singular here:

The “2ms” mean second person, male, singular.” That is applying to the word “your”, not to the word “creators.”

I believe that is correct from my very limited understanding of the Hebrew.

I don’t have the time to deal with the rest of your post since I am far from home and busy with extended famil…[Read more]

Mike,

In Ecc:12:13, the Hebrew word translated as “God” is plural.

Mike,

”Makers” is plural here:

and here:

Mike,

The plural is legit as per the Hebrew word, why most translators didn’t translate it as plural, I can’t say.

Btw, the creators are together as the one God in the fullest sense, different persons not different gods.

That “p” in “mpc” stands for plural.

Gill’s Exposition:

Remember now thy Creator in the days of thy youth,…. Or “Creators”…

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Danny,

My pleasure, I hope it helped!

Blessings, LU

Hi Mike,

Ecc 12:1 – Remember also thy Creators in days of thy youth, While that the evil days come not, Nor the years have arrived, that thou sayest, ‘I have no pleasure in them.’

Father, Son and Spirit, one God in the fullest sense. More than one person, together as God created the universe.

Hi Jodi,

Sorry that it has been awhile…

We are discussing Heb 1 and we are stuck at whether the aggelos are celestial angels or human messengers. I will deal with this point with you right now, other questions that you have, I am not going to address now for the sake of staying on Hebrews 1. You have agreed that the aggelos in Hebrews 1 are…[Read more]

Gene, you have already been asked to not post on this thread and now you have done it again. If you have something to say, please do so in a private message.

@mikeboll64

You asked:

Who actually did the creative work?

The Father through the Son, i.e. both.

It took both to complete the creation therefore, one cannot be considered the creator and the other not the creator.

@Proclaimer

You said:

There is a difference between creating something and creating something through someone.

So if it took two persons to complete the creation process, then one person did not do it alone. Do you agree?

You said this:

One is the creator and the other is the agent.

I disagree.

The Father did not create the world alone.

The…[Read more]

@Proclaimer,

Great post!

Alone with what you have said in the previous post, anyone who teaches that Jesus Christ is not identified by the Father as YHVH who laid the foundation of the earth and that the heavens are the works of the Son’s hands is also denying what the scriptures teach. Hebrews 1:10

LU

Hi Berean,

You said:

Amen

Very interesting Lu
May God continue to guide you

Kind of you, Berean, thanks I will need it!

Many blessings,

LU

Proclaimer,

Great post to Gene!

Blessings, LU

Hi Jodi,

Whether Psalm 8 is about mankind or the one man, Jesus, or both, the word “elohim” in the Psalm is properly translated as “angels” as you have written in your last post.

I am quoting you here:

5 For thou hast made him a little lower than the angels

You have agreed that these two verses in Heb 1:4 and 2:7 refer to the same types of…[Read more]

Mike,

You said:

My statement is unequivocally true and scriptural. The validity of yours is still undergoing peer-review.

Here is your “peer-review:”

According to the NET Bible notes:

sn You founded the earth…your years will never run out. In its original setting Ps 102:25-27 refers to the work of God in creation, but here in Hebrews 1:10-12 t…[Read more]