Thanks Mike!When I was shown the truth of the literal Son from eternity, I didn't have to dissect scriptures.  It really wasn't hard once I opened my heart to the possibility, truly opened my heart, and putting my past acceptance of a doctrine on the altar, then the scales figuratively fell from my eyes and I began to see that the Son was God…[Read more]

Jack,I answered you there.Kathi

Istari,I never used the words 'incubated inside God' did I? Let these words reflect my thoughts:He was begotten of the Father in a manner inconceivable and inexpressible by men, before any creatures were in being.I made a comparison to a human pregnancy in the past because that is the closest example of what I was thinking, however I do not know…[Read more]

Thanks Keith, I'm moving on…Kathi

Sorry Jack,I didn't understand you…Can we move on?

Jack,I agree with Gill on this: that formerly God spoke by many persons, by the prophets, but now by one only, “by his Son”; who is so not by creation, nor by adoption, nor by office, but by nature; being his own Son, his proper Son, begotten of him, of the same nature with him, and equal to him; and so infinitely preferable to the prophets: he is…[Read more]

Keith,Keith, it wasn't all Mike's doing to have all this confusion, Jack created an attack thread himself regarding this topic. But like Mike just showed you, you did answer the question with a 'no' and it was the clear question about 'according to these scholars' so I think that you can take 'some' of the blame for the confusion here.…

Quote (Lightenup @ April 04 2011,16:28)Quote (Kangaroo Jack Jr. @ April 04 2011,15:15)Quote (Lightenup @ April 05 2011,06:46)You are right Jack, this poll is unnecessary and I'm sure Mike will see that…we all make mistakes.  One thing about polls as you can see with this one, is that you can vote/lie anonymously and no will know who you are and…[Read more]

Oh the drama continues…Ok Mike…I can see that there was confusion and I think that I am catching Dennison's headache, ha. Let Keith clear it up. Maybe he will end up apologizing for adding to the confusion and everyone will go home happy.Kathi

Ok Dennison-son,I hope you feel better soon. Maybe you should spend more time reading “Chicken Soup for the Soul” than message boards.Sorry you are ill.Kathi

Hi Dennison,Just wondering if you have a response to my last post on the previous page. Kathi

Quote (Istari @ April 05 2011,12:50)Kathi,Only asking, not debating:How is it that no one has ever taught that God incubated 'He who was to become Jesus' inside himself before birthing him (Since God is considered to be MALE who gave birth to The Son and who Begot him?)In all the debates that have gone on in this forum how is it it is only in…[Read more]

You are welcome, Keith.Kathi

MikeYou could have left me out of your poll all together, lol…now I got a vote against me forever implanted on this message board insinuating that I was dishonest…without knowing who the person is for sure or proof to back up their allogations and no opportunity to directly challenge them. grrrr!Anyway, I'm glad you apologized, I knew you…[Read more]

Mike,This is what you said in a post here from March 22 (third post from the top): https://www.heavennet.net/cgi-bin….;st=230Kathi has immediately answered truthfully. Keith has FINALLY answered truthfully.

Irene,From what I understand, you and Georg believe in a 'gap theory' where the heavens and the earth were a perfect creation and then something happened involving satan and other angels, then the heavens and the earth became a chaotic mess. Well, that is a theory but I don't believe that is what the Bible is telling us and neither do the NET…[Read more]

Here is an excerpt of that post made by Keith:You have quoted a few sources opinions that it possibly could be translated that way and one of the sources admits that in context it could not be translated anarthrous because of the entire context of the scriptures which teaches Monotheism. Why are they still “Trinitarians” Mike? Why did none of them…[Read more]

Honestly Mike,If you go to this link, you will see that Keith said that the scholars said that it could be translated that way. I think that is an honest answer. So I think that we both gave an honest answer. Therefore if someone said that I gave a dishonest answer and I think that Keith and I gave the same answer, then I think they are…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 05 2011,09:36)Quote (Lightenup @ April 04 2011,17:07)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 04 2011,15:41)Quote (Lightenup @ April 04 2011,14:30)Or 'today' could be according to eternity where there is only today, just an eternal one.Do you have a scripture for that because “yown” is the first time days are mentioned and…[Read more]

Sophia,Like Irene said, there is a 'report this post to a moderator' link that you can click on if you find the post is abusive towards someone…have you done that?  Also, there is the private message feature where you can handle your grievance privately and directly…have you done that?  If not, maybe you can start the Biblical pattern of r…[Read more]