Good post Dennison-son!I want to add that if Gal 4:14 is saying that Jesus is an angel of God,and that which was a trial to you in my bodily condition you did not despise or loathe, but you received me as an angel of God, as Christ Jesus Himself.then this passage:24Then Jacob was left alone, and a man wrestled with him until daybreak. 25When he…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 17 2011,21:32)Quote (Lightenup @ April 17 2011,20:20)With this post, I just wanted to explain why looking at the Greek is very helpful to distinguish which variation of translation is closest to the intent of the original language.  I haven't the faintest idea why you would have a problem with that…it is a good thing,…[Read more]

Quote (Istari @ April 17 2011,20:38)Kathi,Why is it that Scriptures only says explicitly that Angels are to Worship Jesus Christ?Why were the Angels instructed to Worship Jesus Christ?Kathi, is Jesus an Angel or a Man NOW?If Angel, how does Angel worship Angel? Oh and doesn't Scriptures that God(!!) placed him high above all powers,…[Read more]

Quote (Istari @ April 17 2011,19:28)Kathi,I'm sorry for that… I posted before I looked it up. Then all this nonsense with Mikeboll and SF kicked off so I didn't get back.However, the essence of what I wrote was there : Worship God; glorify the Son.The text does not say 'worship in the Spirit of God'.Kathi, what does that mean? Worship in the…[Read more]

Quote (Istari @ April 17 2011,15:33)Kathi,I was not stating that there were no verses saying 'Honor the Father' for Honor is embodied in Worship: one cannot Worship without also first honouring.The verse was there but it seemed you deliberately 'Missed it' so you did not have to answer it.Here it is again:Phil 3:3 'We..worship God in the Spirit…[Read more]

Heb 31Therefore, holy brethren, partakers of a heavenly calling, consider Jesus, the Apostle and High Priest of our confession; 2He was faithful to Him who appointed Him, as Moses also was in all His house. 3For He has been counted worthy of more glory than Moses, by just so much as the builder of the house has more honor than the house. 4For…[Read more]

Quote (csaliba @ April 17 2011,00:45)Quote (Lightenup @ April 16 2011,08:10)csaliba,Quote Be light made,this means that God now has incarnated His son spiritual body within Lucifer's.so both of them represented the Light within the darkness.Sorry but that is not scriptural. KathiKathi,Genesis 1:3 And God said: Be light made. And light was made…[Read more]

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ April 17 2011,13:45)Mike Said: Quote It seems to me that Dennison was right about this point.  Although “aggelos” does simply mean “messenger”, and was used of human beings as well as heavenly spirit beings, the NT writers do seem to distinguish a group of beings called “aggelos” from mankind in this verse.  There's also H…[Read more]

Quote (Baker @ April 17 2011,09:45)Quote (betweenchristendomandjws @ April 17 2011,14:58)Quote (Baker @ April 17 2011,00:15)T8 I think that there were at least three Archangels called Cherub, in the Bible, at one time.  Gabriel, Michael and Lucifer who became Satan. Eze 28:14   Thou the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee : thou w…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ April 17 2011,11:27)Quote (Lightenup @ April 17 2011,17:27)So Pierre,Do you think that God only created His Son and all else was created by His Son?KathiKathiyes mike as it right ,one God not created one god createdworship the one that is not created .the created one is a tittle for differentiate the position of the first and…[Read more]

Istari,you asked:Quote Kathi, what does that verse mean to you?(If the Son is to be honoured but God worshipped then are these both the same person, and if so, how are they separated: one for Honor and the other for Worship.Which is greater: Honor or Worship?Who is 'God', different from the Son? Is the Son also God?If the Son is also God in that…[Read more]

Elohim.

Mike,God in His fullness is a singular term representing a plurality. Family is also a singular term and also representing a plurality.

Quote (Baker @ April 16 2011,18:27)Wow, Kathy I have to agree with Mike and Pierre.  There are several Scriptures that say Almighty God is greater then Jesus is.  So when you worship Jesus like Jehovah God are you not going against the first great Commandment to love God with all of your Heart and with all of your soul?  Jesus is not Almighty Go…[Read more]

So Pierre,Do you think that God only created His Son and all else was created by His Son?Kathi

They are not one in being it is in another way they are one. One without the other would make them incomplete.

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 16 2011,15:50)Quote (Lightenup @ April 16 2011,14:25)Mike,Quote That's a good scripture for you to remember when you're worshipping the Son OF God as if he were God Himself.  I worship the Son of God as if He were the begotten God Himself, along with the God who beget Him.  I thought you could get that straight by n…[Read more]

Mike,Quote That's a good scripture for you to remember when you're worshipping the Son OF God as if he were God Himself. I worship the Son of God as if He were the begotten God Himself, along with the God who beget Him. I thought you could get that straight by now.Kathi

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 16 2011,15:09)Quote (Lightenup @ April 16 2011,13:47)Mike,Jesus is many things like prophet, messenger, shepherd, vine, gate, teacher, etc. because He is the Son of the living God.  He is not the son of the living God because he is those many things.  Get it?Hi Kathi,I don't get your point.  David was prophet, teacher, me…[Read more]

Mike,Where do you get the plural pronouns from?7“YOU HAVE MADE HIM FOR A LITTLE WHILE LOWER THAN THE ANGELS;         YOU HAVE CROWNED HIM WITH GLORY AND HONOR,         AND HAVE APPOINTED HIM OVER THE WORKS OF YOUR HANDS;8YOU HAVE PUT ALL THINGS IN SUBJECTION UNDER HIS FEET.”         For in subjecting all things to him, He left nothing that is…[Read more]