Charles,you said:Quote This means that the Son of God was incarnated within LuciferI think that you mean well but I will not accept the idea that the Son of God was incarnated within lucifer. I'm sorry.KathiQuote This means that the Son of God was incarnated within Lucifer

Quote (karmarie @ April 20 2011,16:59)Quote (Lightenup @ April 21 2011,08:35)Karmarie,This is an interesting perspective:http://www.divorcehope.com/womenteachinginchurchministry.htmHi kathi.I know theres all different perspectives on that. But I found through trail and error, that I need to listen to the person who I listen to more than speak.…[Read more]

Karmarie,This is an interesting perspective:http://www.divorcehope.com/womenteachinginchurchministry.htm

Hi Ted,Thanks. Can you show me where it says that the planets existed before the stars which were created on day four?Kathi

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 19 2011,20:22)Quote (Lightenup @ April 19 2011,08:13)Istari,The default definition of 'firstborn' is the first offspring to come from the parent.  All other instances that are not according to the default are rare.And made very clear by the context that they AREN'T the default definition.Mike,And just what 'default'…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 19 2011,20:19)Quote (Lightenup @ April 19 2011,08:02)Mike,Not all heavenly spirit messengers were created.  There are the angels and then there is the Son and the Spirit, both eternal…not created.  God always was a Father.Kathi,Scripture says Jesus was created…………..TWICE.  It also says he was born many times.  N…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 19 2011,20:39)Quote (Lightenup @ April 19 2011,19:08)I can't begin to worship the Father in truth apart from the worship of the Son…one without the other would not save me.Then you might as well go full bore and worship God's Spirit also.  And the Book of Life too!  Because without that Book which contains your name, y…[Read more]

Pierre,He will judge them won't he…that is paying attention to them. He has to pay attention to all men in order to judge them of their deeds.

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 19 2011,20:40)Quote (Lightenup @ April 19 2011,19:16)Mike,The Son always existed within the Father, creation did not.Show me the scripture that teaches you this “fact”…………..so that I too may believe.Hi Mike,Wow…fiesty tonight aren't ya?Here is a verse that states that it was by His 'will' that all things were…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ April 19 2011,14:16)Quote (Lightenup @ April 20 2011,07:57)Quote (Baker @ April 18 2011,17:10)Quote (Lightenup @ April 19 2011,01:57)Quote (Baker @ April 18 2011,02:13)Kathy! Georg said that Angels and Jesus were created they are called Angela, wile God was not…And that is why He is not an Angel…IreneThanks Irene,Another…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 19 2011,20:09)Quote (Lightenup @ April 19 2011,07:57)Irene,That is the big huge difference between you and I.  You seem to think that God created Jesus out of nothing.  He could not be a literal son if that were so.KathiKathi,Everything came out of God, right?  Even rocks and planets and clouds and humans and Jesus, ri…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 19 2011,13:26)Quote (Lightenup @ April 19 2011,09:02)Mike,Not all heavenly spirit messengers were created.  There are the angels and then there is the Son and the Spirit, both eternal…not created.  God always was a Father.Hi KathiTrue! If Jesus is the “Only Begotten Son of God” then that would mean that “angels” c…[Read more]

Quote (Istari @ April 19 2011,12:51)Kathi It is certainly true that we should Honor the Son as much as we Honor the Father because to the acknowledgement of one is the acknowledgement of the other.But Kathi, this is HONORING… not Worshipping!See your own statement: you Honor them both. You left out WORSHIP.Worship is not Honor – Honor is not…[Read more]

Mike,you said:Quote prefer “a god” in John 1:1, because I know that Jesus is a god who was with the God in the beginning, but who was not that God he was with. Kathi agrees with this, but for some reason feels the capitalized “God” in part c says this just the same as using “a god” would.I do not feel like 'a god' and 'God' are saying the same…[Read more]

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ April 18 2011,00:21)Quote (Lightenup @ April 18 2011,10:15)Dennison,That sounds like a comparison to Jesus being incarnated into flesh where He is fully God and fully man.  That is not what I asked though.  I was wondering if perfect divine nature would mean that it was eternal…can a person/spirit being have a perfect d…[Read more]

Quote (Istari @ April 18 2011,15:01)Hi Kathi,Phil 3:3, whichever way it is read, states that we Honor the Son (Even as we Honor the Father).Honouring is not Worshipping – honouring means giving credit.We do indeed give Credit to both Father And Son.That part is clear and is echoed elsewhere several times in Scriptures.We AGREE on that.However, you…[Read more]

Quote (Istari @ April 18 2011,15:14)Kathi,There is Firstborn and there is First-born (Or First Born).The first is that ONE that is held most closely to the Father irrespective of birth order.Even an adopted ONE can become the Firstborn.The second, 'First born', is simply that: THE ONE that was born first to the father.Jacob was Isaac's FIRSTBORN…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 18 2011,20:27)Quote (Lightenup @ April 17 2011,22:31)Would you mind clarifying what that one word was in the original languages and what are all the definitions of that one word you are talking about.The word in Greek is “aggelos”, and the one meaning is “messenger”.  So when you read anything in scripture that says…[Read more]

Quote (Baker @ April 18 2011,17:10)Quote (Lightenup @ April 19 2011,01:57)Quote (Baker @ April 18 2011,02:13)Kathy! Georg said that Angels and Jesus were created they are called Angela, wile God was not…And that is why He is not an Angel…IreneThanks Irene,Another question for Georg… What is the difference between being the first born and…[Read more]

Quote (Baker @ April 18 2011,02:13)Kathy! Georg said that Angels and Jesus were created they are called Angela, wile God was not…And that is why He is not an Angel…IreneThanks Irene,Another question for Georg… What is the difference between being the first born and being the first created?Kathi