Pierre,Do you see that the 'angel' in this passage is named Jehovah?Hos 12:2-52 The Lord(Jehovah) also has a dispute with Judah, And will punish Jacob according to his ways; He will repay him according to his deeds. 3 In the womb he took his brother by the heel, And in his maturity he contended with God. 4 Yes, he wrestled with the angel and…[Read more]

Karmarie,I think the one who voted for the third choice was Istari. Ask him. That should be an interesting chat for you.Kathi

Quote (terraricca @ April 21 2011,16:38)Kathiwere in the bible does it say all those things?Ge 32:22 That night Jacob got up and took his two wives, his two maidservants and his eleven sons and crossed the ford of the Jabbok. Ge 32:23 After he had sent them across the stream, he sent over all his possessions. Ge 32:24 So Jacob was left alone, and…[Read more]

Pierre,You are welcome, I am glad you retracted it.Kathi

You welcome Istari,I hope it clears this up. I do think that you might wish that you thought more deeply before voting Kathi

Pierre,Read the context of the passage in Hosea and what John Gill's commentary said about it. I agree with him on this.Kathi

Istari,you saidQuote Biological Father' is a term meaning the one through the fertilisation came.It is not the same as 'The Father' as in 'Fatherhood' which is what I believe the question is about.Ok, so at least you can see that a guy is the biological father before the birth because he fertilized the ovum.  I think that you would have voted…[Read more]

Istari,I understand that people speak of pregnant women as expectant mothers or 'mothers to be' but I think you would agree that she is the biological mother of her child at the moment of conception…right? It would be incorrect to think of her as the biological mother 'to be' if she were pregnant, as if she wasn't already the biological mother…[Read more]

Hi William,You know that I agree with you in many things and you have written your beliefs well…kudos. I do question this part though:Quote With the foundation of our reality laid, God was manifested in this new reality as everything our reality could possibly support of the Father (but was far short of the whole). Now this manifestation was…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ April 21 2011,15:56)And she said when she just found out that she was pregnant, “and you are the biological father.”  If a woman has only been with one man during the last several months, she can safely say that even when she has just conceived, it is factual.  Science can prove it too.The pregnant girl wouldn't say, “you are g…[Read more]

Istari,Sentiment didn't make the father a biological father, conception did which involved his sperm.

And she said when she just found out that she was pregnant, “and you are the biological father.”  If a woman has only been with one man during the last several months, she can safely say that even when she has just conceived, it is factual.  Science can prove it too.

I am reposting this from a post I made last night.found here: https://www.heavennet.net/cgi-bin….y294340Here is a passage that says that the 'Angel' that wrestled with Jacob was Jehovah and below it is John Gill's comments about it:Hos 12:2-52 The Lord(Jehovah) also has a dispute with Judah, And will punish Jacob according to his ways; He will…[Read more]

Istari,Good topic. I think when some being is called an angel in scripture, it is often from man's perspective and may simply mean a being not from the physical realm and not necessarily one of many as a kind of being, although I do believe that there is evidence that there are several angels that are a particular kind of common being. There are…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ April 21 2011,15:23)Kathithis question of your ;Quote When does the biological father become the biological father? as no bearing on Jesus unless you believe that he is the offspring of Joseph.PierrePierre,This question is about a human biological father and the understanding that the human biological father is a father before…[Read more]

Hi William,Thanks for voting. I'm sorry for your loss. Scripture says that God knows us in the womb.Romans 8:18For I consider that the sufferings of this present time are not worth comparing with the glory that is to be revealed to us.Love to you,Kathi

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 19 2011,20:57)Quote (Lightenup @ April 19 2011,08:30)Mike,you said:Quote prefer “a god” in John 1:1, because I know that Jesus is a god who was with the God in the beginning, but who was not that God he was with.  Kathi agrees with this, but for some reason feels the capitalized “God” in part c says this just the same…[Read more]

Istariyou said in the above post:Quote Kathi started then down the road of God had Jesus inside him and then gave birth so Jesus always existed but part of the time he was inside God (And a mother is a mother at conception: I've yet to here anyone qualify that idea : I hear they say 'expectant Mother' and 'Mother-to-be'.I have started a poll to…[Read more]

Pierre,you said:Quote in scriptures we only talk about male figures the son is the male figureall other angels figures are called the women of God ,as in revelation and so the son of man was a production of that women (Gods heavenly organization)Where are angel figures called the 'women of God?'Kathi

Here is a passage that says that the 'Angel' that wrestled with Jacob was Jehovah and below it is John Gill's comments about it:Hos 12:2-52 The Lord(Jehovah) also has a dispute with Judah, And will punish Jacob according to his ways; He will repay him according to his deeds. 3 In the womb he took his brother by the heel, And in his maturity he…[Read more]