Keith,Quote So God was within God?So what changed when he was “brought forth”? Can you answer this question…Was the Father the unbegotten God before Jesus was begotten?A God, as Son, was within God the Father. A God, as Father, was not within another God who is God the Father.The Father was always unbegotten, He was the begetter of the Son.…[Read more]

Keith,I forgot to address this:Quote If begotten to you does not mean “concieved”, “born”, or “procreated”, but “brougth forth” then why couldn't his begetting be after he came in the flesh or was resurrected?I do believe that begotten means 'born' but not by labor and delivery for that is human. He was born by some way, maybe by even the command…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 23 2011,12:19)Quote (Lightenup @ April 23 2011,12:07)Before He was begotten, He existed ready to help the Father.  See the difference?Hi KathiNo I don't understand.Was Jesus “another being” in the Father?If begotten to you does not mean “concieved”, “born”, or “procreated”, but “brougth forth” then why couldn't his…[Read more]

Mike,I show scripture like Hosea 12. It does clearly say that the one that wrestled with Jacob is named Jehovah plus I give you a scholar that sees that clearly also.  So, don't tell me about scripture not saying it.  You and I are reading the scripture through two different foundations.  I am reading it through the foundation that the church is…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ April 23 2011,00:20)Kathi,Do you mean that Jesus is insite God through the Spirit of Holiness just as God is inside Jesus by the Spirit of Christ.  In the same way both are inside those that believe by the Spirit of God and theose that believe are inside the father through the Son via the Holy Spirit.That is the description of the…[Read more]

Keith,At least I have an understanding of the creeds. The trinitarians that are around today don't understand and just say that it is a mystery. Well, I don't believe that God wants the creed of our faith to be so mysterious. That sounds like a cult leader saying that you must believe in this mystery. How can someone defend their faith which…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 23 2011,10:24)Quote (terraricca @ April 22 2011,20:22)KathiNO and No ,what you try or what you see is not thereI agree Pierre.Kathi seems to often apply what she WANTS the scriptures to say to the scriptures, thereby confirming for herself that they say what she WANTS them to say.But to claim that Jesus is also named…[Read more]

Keith,I don't want to sabotage William's thread. Bring this up in another thread and let me know where to go with a PM. OK?Kathi

Hi Kerwin,I would be happy to discuss this with you. Please tell me what you mean by the 'inherited spirit of Christ.' I want to understand what you are saying before I respond.Thanks,Kathi

Quote (Istari @ April 22 2011,03:03)Kathi,I, too, am completely confused as to what you are saying…In any case, God SENDS his Spirits as Angels to do his will (God makes his Angels Spirits)God makes his Ministers Flames of Fire (These are Humans called Prophets – not to be confused with the Angel AS flames in a bush)Can we move from Jacob to…[Read more]

Pierre,This should help you. Read the commentary on Hosea 12:http://gill.biblecommenter.com/hosea/12.htmKathi

Quote (Istari @ April 22 2011,21:25)Kathi,Remember that when Jesus was on earth he was EXACTLY man – but sinless.Jesus said that ALL THE THINGS HE DID Others could do – IF THEY HAD FAITH – Jesus didn't do anything that another of Mankind couldn't have done.When the Jews accused him of blasphemy for forgiving Sin (Leading to false belief that he is…[Read more]

Pierre,Yes it's there, I even made it bold for you. I didn't write the scripture. Observe without a bias and you might see it. Kathi

Quote (Istari @ April 22 2011,21:13)Kathi,Yes, I thought that verse would be what you would post…This is what I am trying to show across the forum: The verse refers to the RISEN CHRIST – for God gave him the POWER AND AUTHORITY to BE HIS Exact Radiance to uphold all things by it.Read the verses without PREJUDICE:God, after He spoke long ago to…[Read more]

Quote (seekingtruth @ April 22 2011,00:13)Kathi,I recant, I recant!… Well actually I missed editing the “not a separate being” out of this letter after Mike had pointed it out to me some time ago after I had briefly explored that line of thinking. I gave it a lot of consideration after Mike pointed it out and determined that my original line of…[Read more]

Good night Istari…there in the UK it is the middle of the night. Big yawn! Thanks for staying up and the 'sharpening' that went with it. I will try to answer the rest of your questions tonight.

Istari,I forgot to answer this part in that last post:Quote (2) All the other creatures in Heaven are ALSO SPIRITS – Who Begot them?The other creatures in heaven were not begotten, they were created from new substance…not eternal substance. The Father created them through the Son.Quote Was not the Creed force fitted and ratified by the Romans -…[Read more]

Quote (Istari @ April 22 2011,20:51)Kathi,you say “and then was begotten…possibly begotten by the Father's word, not necessarily through some labor and delivery process.”but earlier you said “I don't believe that God willed a Son into existence with His thoughts.”Word and thought are the same to God (God does not think what he does not say -…[Read more]

Quote (Istari @ April 22 2011,20:37)Kathi,What Scripture verse says that Jesus has the EXACT NATURE as his Father?An d what is “ETERNAL NATURE” (Eternal is a State – Nature is Feature/Characteristic. For instance: You can't 'SEE' that the Nature of that someone is ETERNAL)Istari,Heb 1God, after He spoke long ago to the fathers in the prophets in…[Read more]

Quote (Istari @ April 22 2011,20:30)Kathi,The Creed is MANMADE… And you know that it has been messed around with over time …How can they be “Co-Eternal” if one was “BEGOTTEN”.Kathi, explain to me what “BEGOTTEN” means in this context, to you.And explain how Jesus is “ETERNALLY BEGOTTEN” (What on earth or in Heaven does that means anyway…!)…[Read more]