Pierre,Do you deny the deity of Christ?Kathi

Pierre,Show me a scripture that says the scriptures are the foundation to Christ. Don't you mean to say that the scriptures tell us about Christ.25And He said to them, “O foolish men and slow of heart to believe in all that the prophets have spoken! 26“Was it not necessary for the Christ to suffer these things and to enter into His glory?” 27The…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ April 26 2011,02:40)Quote (Lightenup @ April 26 2011,23:06)Quote (terraricca @ April 25 2011,23:45)Quote (Lightenup @ April 26 2011,22:38)Quote (terraricca @ April 25 2011,23:31)Quote (Lightenup @ April 26 2011,22:22)Mike,Quote I personally believe that Jesus is saying the KNOWLEDGE and BELIEF that he is truly the Son of the…[Read more]

Quote (karmarie @ April 26 2011,00:42)Quote (Lightenup @ April 26 2011,19:06)The Jews have scriptures and are blind, btw.The Jews are NOT all blind, that is only in PART.The first converts WERE JEWS.Part of the reason that they are blind is because they are taught MONOTHEISM.So they see the Gentiles all worshipping ANOTHER God.And it goes against…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ April 23 2011,19:17)Keith,You have argued endlessly over the term 'begotten God' and now you are acting like you didn't.  What is your use of the word 'begotten' as a verb?So the Nicene Creed is not the foundation of the orthodox faith.  Can you show me where the foundation of the orthodox faith began?Did I ever say that I a…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ April 25 2011,23:45)Quote (Lightenup @ April 26 2011,22:38)Quote (terraricca @ April 25 2011,23:31)Quote (Lightenup @ April 26 2011,22:22)Mike,Quote I personally believe that Jesus is saying the KNOWLEDGE and BELIEF that he is truly the Son of the Living God is the foundation of the church.Think about that, Kathi.  Believing…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 25 2011,23:28)I don't see the discrepancy.  Don't the scriptures teach that Jesus is the Son OF God?  And isn't the knowledge and belief that Jesus is the Son OF God the foundation of the Church of Christ?They seem to go hand in hand if you ask me.Goodnight hillbilly.mikeMike,Many have scriptures, the Jews for example, a…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ April 25 2011,23:31)Quote (Lightenup @ April 26 2011,22:22)Mike,Quote I personally believe that Jesus is saying the KNOWLEDGE and BELIEF that he is truly the Son of the Living God is the foundation of the church.Think about that, Kathi.  Believing that Jesus is the Son OF God, not GOD THE SON, is the foundation his church is…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 25 2011,23:30)Quote (Lightenup @ April 25 2011,22:01)Mike,About death, the soul is not killed by man…Matt 10:28 “Do not fear those who kill the body but are unable to kill the soul; but rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.Do you see how the body is said to be killed but not the soul.  Is…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 25 2011,23:13)Quote (Lightenup @ April 25 2011,21:53)Matter is a creation, new stuff, not part of God, eternal stuff.And where did it originally come from?Quote (Lightenup @ April 25 2011,21:53)So you say that the Son was created and then begotten, or created/begotten as the same thing?I say that my son was created by the…[Read more]

Mike,Quote I personally believe that Jesus is saying the KNOWLEDGE and BELIEF that he is truly the Son of the Living God is the foundation of the church.Think about that, Kathi. Believing that Jesus is the Son OF God, not GOD THE SON, is the foundation his church is built on.So now you believe that the foundation is believing that Jesus is the…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 25 2011,22:53)Okay…………..After wading through all the personal insults that result from one getting his butt kicked scripturally, I did find a couple of tidbits to address:I said:Quote Istari, I understand what you claim:  That Adam was God's “firstborn” (as in “most loved or whatever”) of the flesh sons of God…[Read more]

Mike,About death, the soul is not killed by man…Matt 10:28 “Do not fear those who kill the body but are unable to kill the soul; but rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.Do you see how the body is said to be killed but not the soul. Is that not clear that the soul is not dead along with the body?Ok, I'm caught up.Kathi

Mike,So you say that the Son was created and then begotten, or created/begotten as the same thing? Your son was 'created' in a sense of being created out of existing matter…a sperm and an ovum. The creation of heaven and earth was by the will of God…by wisdom, the word of God not by existing matter, all new matter otherwise matter would be…[Read more]

Mike,Here is the rock that the church is built on Mike…the truth of who Jesus is. This truth caused Him to be crucified. Scriptures are the witness to the foundation but aren't the foundation…it is the Christ, the Son of the living God.Matt 16:13 Now when Jesus came into the district of Caesarea Philippi, He was asking His disciples, “Who d…[Read more]

Mike,Hosea said 'malak' and you have said that 'malak' means messenger all the time. What Hosea confirms is that the one wrestling with Jacob was Jehovah, God of hosts. Manoah saw the Son also but I don't think that He is specifically identified as Jehovah as in Hosea and Gen. 18.I thought you were out of here?Kathi

Thank you Mike.Kathi

Hi Marty,Which specific statement do you question:Creatures are by essence 'created' by God not 'born' of God. Creatures are a product of new matter. That which was born of God is not of 'new matter' but was eternal within the Father and then born of the Father at the appropriate time to act in the creation miracle of heaven and earth. The only…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 25 2011,21:14)Quote (Lightenup @ April 25 2011,12:53)That which was born of God is not of 'new matter' but was eternal within the Father and then born of the Father at the appropriate time to act in the creation miracle of heaven and earth.So this “new matter” was not at one time also eternal within the Father?That's…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 25 2011,20:59)Quote (Lightenup @ April 25 2011,12:41)Dennison,There is Jehovah, the unseen God the Father…and His image, Jehovah, the only begotten God from the Father, who was seen in the appearance of a man and taken for being an angel, but He is not a created angel.Kathi, I know the scriptures you use to claim…[Read more]