Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 26 2011,20:21)Quote (Lightenup @ April 25 2011,22:32)Mike,The new matter was new and didn't evolve or something like that.  It was created by God not begotten by God.So this matter came from within God, since before it there was nothing BUT God.  And this matter was created by God but not by means of begetting, right?  …[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 26 2011,20:23)Quote (Lightenup @ April 25 2011,22:34)Mike,I don't make it different.  The men killed the body only, not the soul.  Just like the verse said.And this is true of Jesus and everyone else who has ever died, right?So how again is HIS death different than anyone who died before him or since?mikeMike,I didn't s…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 26 2011,20:35)Quote (Lightenup @ April 25 2011,22:57)Mike,Many have scriptures, the Jews for example, and don't believe that the Messiah is the Son of God. Kathi, I won't argue this “nit-picky” point with you.  I know that the belief that Jesus is the Son OF God is the foundation on which Christ built his Church.  This a…[Read more]

BC&JW,The created angels shine because of being in the presence of the glory of the Lord. Moses face also shone from being in the presence of the Lord.

Karmarie,There are two moderators here and you can report 'abusive posts' to the one that isn't involved in the debate. That is one way to look after another here. You should be sure that one person isn't as guilty as the other though. One should be above reproach or both are probably guilty.

BC&JW,No those angels in Rev 18:1 and EZ 43:2 are not Jehovah the Son.

Irene,So was the spirit of Jesus ever killed?Kathi

Irene,Did you know that the Romans did not kill the soul of Jesus, only the body?

So Pierre,Are you saying that Jesus is not deity but acts as deity only because He acts as a spokesman for God like Moses did?

There are evil spirits all over who can imitate the deceased and they can be very convincing. God doesn't want us communicating with the dead.

Irene,Thanks for your answer. So then you do not believe in the deity of Jesus Christ. So Jesus became divine meaning He wasn't always divine but is after He was resurrected, is that what you are saying?Blessings to you,Kathi

Karmarie,That doesn't answer the question. Is one true and one not true?

Karmarie,I wasn't responding to how he changed anything. I didn't know how he changed anything. I was just 'good post-ing' him about his thoughts about the word 'firstborn.' The changing of words I don't know anything about.I think that Istari is doing much better and if it lasts even when taunted, it will be a good example. Isn't it…[Read more]

Karmarie,Thanks again. So I am confused. If you believe in God the Father and in God the Son, is one true and one not true?

Quote (Istari @ April 26 2011,16:19)Kathi,What was 'Good' about Mikeboll's post?Do you know what he was saying – I think not else you wouldn't have said 'Good post' – it wasn't, he was being deliberately deceitful by changing what I wrote concerning what I wrote – so if that is 'Good' to you then I feel sorry for anything you believe!!Istari,I…[Read more]

Quote (karmarie @ April 26 2011,17:58)You are a gang, the gang of the scholars, the self proclaimed elite who look down on anyone who is not up there with you. What would God think?Karmarie,Stop. Look at your own words and ask 'who is looking down on who' in your own words. You are looking down on everybody here saying that we should all be…[Read more]

Karmarie,Thanks for answering. You believe in the deity of Christ then. You also believe in the deity of His Father, correct?

Pierre,So you deny the deity of Christ. Explain what is meant in your view of the word 'deity.'Thanks,Kathi

Karmarie,Do you deny the deity of Christ?

Hi Irene,I was wondering if you believe in the deity of Christ.Blessings,Kathi