Quote (t8 @ May 27 2011,18:53)Quote (Lightenup @ May 28 2011,07:08)Keith,Sometimes it is the Father who speaks to us and sometimes it is the Son, we can call either one of them 'Lord' and say the 'Lord spoke to me.'  Usually I just know that the impression or thought came from one of them but not sure which one and I don't know if it matters…if…[Read more]

Keith,Sometimes it is the Father who speaks to us and sometimes it is the Son, we can call either one of them 'Lord' and say the 'Lord spoke to me.' Usually I just know that the impression or thought came from one of them but not sure which one and I don't know if it matters…if it did then that would be made plain, imo. One would not say one…[Read more]

Thank you Richard for sharing your story. I'm sure that it took a lot of guts to do so. So thankful you are set free,Kathi

t8,I do appreciate your concern, I really do.  I don't call the Godhead by the name 'trinity.'  So your list needs a different approach.  If you have read my really long post to you on the previous page then you will see that we need to use context to dictate which person of the Godhead is being spoken about or is doing the speaking.  It is not…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ May 27 2011,02:43)Quote (Lightenup @ May 27 2011,02:05)The spirit of man is called the innerman or innerperson.The son of man is called man.Wouldn't the Spirit of God be the innerperson of God?Wouldn't the Son of God be called God?If God Almighty is called Father, can He be called true Father apart from a true Son?  If you don't…[Read more]

Hi Paul,Thank you!I appreciate you stepping in,Kathi

Hi Keith,I know you are busy, thanks for your response.you said:Quote One Deity means “One God” not a collection of Gods that are seperate beings.Strongs # 2320 theotesdefinition…deity, GodheadGodhead is made up of more than one.Quote As far as the Holy Spirit, there are no scriptures that say the “One Spirit” is a combination of two Spirits.Is…[Read more]

Quote (Istari @ May 26 2011,16:21)Kathi,Start with God – then adjust to Man.Don't start with Man and claim God must be likewise. This is how you started saying that God is Like a Woman… !!How do you say the thing that creates is like the thing it created?No, but the thing created can have qualities of that which created it!You may just have…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ May 26 2011,19:01)An image of God cannot be God that is an oxymoron.God is the source.There is no one true God that is not the source and creator of all.The one true God means what it says although the tendency for man is to change that, God wrote this into the first commandment.An image of God may have qualities of God however,…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 26 2011,19:56)Quote (t8 @ May 26 2011,18:01)If you are convinced of your theory, that God is “THEM”, then call God “THEM” to at least show your faith in your own teaching/doctrine.When you do that, at least I will be convinced that you truly believe your own doctrine.Hear, hear!I do.

Quote (t8 @ May 26 2011,19:00)and thus being called wisdom from God also places him as a candidate for the wisdom that was the craftsman at his side.Or the wisdom as it was in the craftsman who, if the Son, is called God. The Son is at the Father's side. God as the Son was at the Father's side. THEY are inseparable and represent one united…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ May 26 2011,17:40)Quote (Lightenup @ May 21 2011,15:56)Hi t8,There are no articles in the Greek in this verse however they are added to the translation.1 Cor 1;24but to those who are the called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God.I think people make more out of the article than they should.  For…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ May 26 2011,17:34)Quote (Lightenup @ May 21 2011,16:00)Mike,Quote Jesus was also brought forth by his Father, indicating a time when he didn't exist.And that is not proven anywhere in scripture.  The Spirit was also brought forth yet eternal.Anyway, we should probably just keep our discussion in our discussion thread, ok?  I was a…[Read more]

Keith,As I PM'd you…I will move our discussions over here to our one on one discussion thread in order to keep things together.https://www.heavennet.net/cgi-bin….y297520You may respond or not but I just need a place where I can see all that we say from this point. Thanks for understanding, Kathi

From the 'Kathy' thread I said this:Quote The spirit of man is called the innerman or innerperson.The son of man is called man.Wouldn't the Spirit of God be the innerperson of God?Wouldn't the Son of God be called God?If God Almighty is called Father, can He be called true Father apart from a true Son? If you don't believe in the true and proper…[Read more]

Hi Keith,You mentioned me on Kerwin's 'kathy' thread (and I know it is spelled wrong but that is the way that Kerwin spelled it).  Because I want to have a place for our conversations, uninterrupted, I am going to address what you say about me or to me…over here.  I know you don't have time to have some formal discussion with me and that's f…[Read more]

The spirit of man is called the innerman or innerperson.The son of man is called man.Wouldn't the Spirit of God be the innerperson of God?Wouldn't the Son of God be called God?If God Almighty is called Father, can He be called true Father apart from a true Son? If you don't believe in the true and proper Son, then you do not have the true and…[Read more]

I think the 'from the Father, through the Son' just shows that there are more than one person in the one all sufficient Deity. A Father and Son with their Spirit=the all sufficient Deity. Take one away and no one is made or saved.Kathi

Mike,I am a Christian…a believer in the Father and the Son and their Holy Spirit. Let's leave it at that, ok. Thanks!Kathi

Mike,Literal offsprings are not 'created.' Literal creations are the first of their kind. Offsprings come from their kind. So, if the term 'created' is used on an offspring, it is not the literal use of the word 'created' but a figurative use of the word 'created.' The term 'offspring' does not represent a kind, Mike.So, let me ask the…[Read more]