Istari,Dying was excruciatingly painful for the Son…He felt every whip lashed, ever nail pounded into his hands and heard every mocking comment, etc. He was the one who the sins of the whole world were put upon. There were several martyrs that died to some degree like that also but didn't bear all the sins of the world like He did. They…[Read more]

Istari,Quote Kathi, Keith,Who is the FATHER OF GOD?God the Father has no father.God as the Son, has for His Father, the heavenly Father, He is the one that beget Him.These things are elementary, Istari.

But I wasn't talking about God, the Father but a Godhead which includes the Father and the Son with their Holy Spirit…the Father and the Son are separate persons in one Godhead, each called theos. The Father and Son act in unity through their Holy Spirit.

Good post about being in a church Keith!Kathi

Istari,How do you and Adam and Eve share the same nature?It is not because you are all flesh and blood because animals are also flesh and blood and you, Adam and Eve do not have the nature of a cow for instance. So I don't believe that those in the spirit realm automatically have the same nature either. The created angels would have a nature…[Read more]

Hi Keith,Thanks. You made a good point too about the other 'trinities' not being who we are commanded to baptize in. The other 'trinites' weren't involved in creation or eternal salvation either. I believe in the Father, Son and the Holy Spirit as all part of the Godhead, just not quite the same as you do. Christians vary in the explanation of…[Read more]

Istari wrote in the post above on this page:Quote And what use is a Sacrifice if the Sacrificed person still retained all that he had during the sacrificial period?He gave up His body, His flesh and blood body was sacrificed. It was His body only that died.Matt 10:28 “Do not fear those who kill the body but are unable to kill the soul; but rather…[Read more]

Istari wrote in the post above on this page:Quote And what use is a Sacrifice if the Sacrificed person still retained all that he had during the sacrificial period?He gave up His body, His flesh and blood body was sacrificed. It was His body only that died.Matt 10:28 “Do not fear those who kill the body but are unable to kill the soul; but rather…[Read more]

Did it ever occur to you that the fact that the Son is 'of' God as well as the Holy Spirit is 'of God,' that may be part of what makes God Almighty.  If the Son and Holy Spirit were not 'of' God, then God might not be the 'Almighty' God.  El Shaddai, God Almighty, may very well be the name of the Godhead.Also, the person talking to Abraham, face t…[Read more]

Here is another document, “The Teaching of the Apostles” that is very informative. It talks about the apostles receiving the gift of the Spirit, how Christ is the Son of God from everlasting and about the first day of the week service, also it gives acknowledgement to Addaeus the Apostle which the previous document that I added here, was about.…[Read more]

Irene needs our prayers, please see the 'pray for others' thread. Thanks, Kathi

Irene needs our prayers, please see the 'pray for others' thread. Thanks, Kathi

Irene needs our prayers ya'll. See the pray for others thread. Thanks!

Tiffany, remember me? I met you at your grandparent's house. I will gladly pray for her and the surgeon. I hope you are doing well also.Love and prayers,Kathi

Mike,Quote Ah, but YOUR distinction doesn't designate one as higher than the other, does it.Yes it does because 'Father' indicates a greater position than the word 'Son' yet it still indicates equal nature. That is how I will make the distinction if there seems to be confusion. I am glad that you are making a distinction between Jesus and satan…[Read more]

You are welcome Mike

I don't think you know what trinitarians believe and they believe differently amongst themselves, anyway. Why don't you list what you are asking according to what you think makes a trinitarian, a trinitarian.Thank,Kathi

Ok Mike, it seems that I could not even prove that the Father was eternal to you so It is fine with me if we move on.  From now, maybe we should just ask for a good reason for the other to consider another point of view and not ask for proof.  How about that?I would like to explore the idea of the nature of man and the nature of God through what s…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 31 2011,21:03)I'm sorry Kathi,I fail to see where I attributed the words “a god” to you.Mike,You used the words “we know” when addressing me. Who else was part of the 'we' if only you were posting to me?Kathi

Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 31 2011,21:08)I know.  I'll try from now on to use “GOD” for GOD Almighty”, “God” for Jesus, and “god” for Satan and the others.That way Jesus is not on the same plane as his own GOD, but is distinguished above the other gods that GOD is the GOD of.  Does that work for you?Thank you Mike. It helps more, imo, to d…[Read more]