Quote (SimplyForgiven @ June 02 2011,14:33)The Father could not be, unless there is a Son.  its a depending role, and for there to be a Son there must be a Father, another depending role that has requierements.  The scriptures state that God isnt dependant on anything he is omnipotent. just my two cents on the matter Yes Dennison-son,It is e…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 02 2011,14:33)Quote (Istari @ June 01 2011,18:01)All this because you KNOW THAT A GOD CANNOT DIE – so you MUST SAY THAT JESUS DIDN'T DIE!!God is Spirit and the Spirit of Jesus did not die because he was the “Eternal life” that was with the Father in the beginning of all things. 1 John 1:1-3Eternal life cannot…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 02 2011,14:33)Quote (Istari @ June 01 2011,18:01)All this because you KNOW THAT A GOD CANNOT DIE – so you MUST SAY THAT JESUS DIDN'T DIE!!God is Spirit and the Spirit of Jesus did not die because he was the “Eternal life” that was with the Father in the beginning of all things. 1 John 1:1-3Eternal life cannot…[Read more]

I take it Istari, that you don't read the commentary of the experts to compare your understanding to. You would not be able to say this was me deluding myself. See, I read the scriptures with a teachable heart, then confirm my understanding with respected commentaries. You should try it.

Istari,I agree, God is the Father…BUT He is not God, the Father without the Son. The Son is perfect like the Father and is in the Father. Inseparable.

t8Obviously you didn't read the documents. I am not teaching a trinity doctrine. I am interested in Christianity. Please read the documents and discuss them, that is what this topic is about, thanks.

Quote (kerwin @ June 02 2011,03:45)Kathy,You wrote:Quote Hi Kerwin,God begets God who contains the Father God's nature.A god begets nothing.God cannot beget a god.Perfect cannot beget imperfect.andGod adopts sons who partake of His nature.Only one Son was truly begotten according to His essential nature.  That Son is unlike all others.You are…[Read more]

Istari,If one is acting as a emissary then that should be made clear in the context. There is nothing that says that in Gen 18 at all. Gen 19:24 Then Jehovah rained on Sodom and Gomorrah brimstone and fire from Jehovah out of heaven,

Istari,Just because the scripture says that someone will be called by a certain name does not mean that they aren't that name beforehand…the people just don't realize it and therefore don't see Him as that yet.

Istari,I am glad that you realize that He is talking to the Father and not teaching the disciples. He is recognizing His Father as distinct from the idols and false gods of the land. Later on in the prayer to His Father, He shows the 'us' in their oneness.

t8,You really need to read these documents and tell me which one of us is more in line with what is being said. It can't be my own understanding if my understanding lines up with Peter's. If what you are understanding doesn't line up with the apostle's and disciples of those apostle's, then it is more likely that you are the one that is teaching…[Read more]

Quote “Worship Jehovah your God, and serve Him ONLY” is a pretty straightforward command. It shouldn't be to hard to follow it,Jehovah is two persons, one that was seen by Abraham and one that is unseen. Yes, Mike, we should worship Jehovah our God, the Son with the Father, both are called Jehovah.Jer 23:5“Behold, the days are coming,” dec…[Read more]

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ June 01 2011,15:57)Lu,um no, dont belittle my statements i clearly states that im stealing that point! !!!!!!!Oh Dennison-son,Now don't go ridin' on that long black train…that is where stealing will get you. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PyRZTAmcW7c

Quote (t8 @ June 01 2011,18:07)Quote (SimplyForgiven @ June 02 2011,07:04)Quote (Lightenup @ June 01 2011,22:05)Did it ever occur to you that the fact that the Son is 'of' God as well as the Holy Spirit is 'of God,' that may be part of what makes God Almighty.  If the Son and Holy Spirit were not 'of' God, then God might not be the 'Almighty'…[Read more]

Istari,What I said was simple and very common within the early church writers. God-the Father beget God-the Son. No one beget God-the Father, thus, God-the Father has no Father.Also, I don't believe in 'three persons' but I do believe in two persons and their Holy Spirit.

t8,I always like reading from the early church fathers. I have read Tertullian some.What He says here is reason enough to worship the Son with the Father because the Father 'possessed' that which was begotten inherently within Himself and it was not a new created substance. The Son is God by reason of nature. The Son is called YHVH in Gen 18 and…[Read more]

Hey Dennison…thanks, you may have it freely

True Keith! Remember to continue to pray for Irene Kathi

Thanks Keith,They clear up many of the 'ambiguous' scriptures. I would have liked to have known Peter and Addaeus and well, all the apostles. It would have been awesome to observe them acting in the name of Jesus. Picture yourself in the crowd that witnessed this challenge to raise the dead between Simon the sorcerer, and Simon Cephas…[Read more]

Istari,Dying was excruciatingly painful for the Son…He felt every whip lashed, ever nail pounded into his hands and heard every mocking comment, etc. He was the one who the sins of the whole world were put upon. There were several martyrs that died to some degree like that also but didn't bear all the sins of the world like He did. They…[Read more]