Theos is a Greek word used in the NT. In the NT, knowing YHVH is both God and Lord, the NT usually designates the Father as God and the Son as Lord. Both are together as one YHVH family not two different YHVH families and therefore not two different Gods.

This was your post in response to me trying to tell you that “theos” has a plural form but you seemed really confused because of how you responded to me. You should have actually have taken your own advice.

LU:As is apparent in your last post, you have no idea about Greek plural nouns or singular nouns. Here is a picture of how the root word…

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Proclaimer said:

The Word was theos just means that the Word is divine, not ‘a divine’.

The Father identifies the “Word” as YHVH, Heb 1:10-12 here:

10And:

“In the beginning, O Lord (YHVH), You laid the foundations of the earth,

and the heavens are the work of Your hands.

11They will perish, but You remain;

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Hi Adam,

You said in response to a recent post:

Coming to Deut 10: 17 For the Lord your God is God of gods and Lord of lords, the great God, mighty and awesome, who is not partial and takes no bribe, 18 who executes justice for the orphan and the widow, and who loves the strangers, providing them food and clothing. 19 You shall also love the st…

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Hi Adam,

Thank you for your reply regarded here:

One question to you Adam, do you see in the NT that the Father is also identifying His
Son as YHVH? I’m not asking you if you agree that the Son is also YHVH, I’m just asking if you agree that it appears that way specifically from Heb. 1. Please just give me a “yes” or a “no.”

LU

P.S. I’ll respon…

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@Danny Dabbs

Hi Danny,

Thank you for your reply. You said:

There are manuscripts that calls Jesus with the article “THE only begotten God” in John 1.18.
And some without the article.
Does this make any difference?
Well, I have to study that a little bit more.

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Hi Adam,

Thank you for your reply.

You said:

As we read the above portion of scripture it is clear that the Lord(Yahweh) alone God and no one else is found in this text of Hebrew Bible. You want to see Jesus the supposed Messiah also as Yahweh in these words but that will be twisting the scriptures which was freely done by the NT writers.

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Hi Danny,

Jesus is the only begotten God and the Father identifies Him as YHVH who laid the foundation of the earth and the heavens are the work of His hands.

John 1:18

No one has seen God at any time; the only begotten God who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained Him.

This refers to the Messiah’s first coming and rejection. No mystery here. Jesus is the only one who fulfilled this prophecy.

I agree! A couple of years ago, I was a teacher of English as a second language to several refugees through a ministry held at my church. I had about five of the students of different faiths, Muslim mainly, sit in a row a…[Read more]

Hi Adam,

You said:

So you think that I am offended by so called Rock of offense?

Yes, you reject the stone that has become the precious cornerstone, obviously. Jesus is not the Messiah according to you and the NT is not God’s Word, also according to you.

You also said:

Your claim of two Yahwehs is some thing strange to Hebrew Bible.

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Hi Adam,

Regarding 1 Peter, you said:

Again 1 Peter taken a portion of scripture from Isaiah 8;

8:13 Sanctify the LORD of hosts himself; and let him be your fear, and let him be your dread.

8:14 And he shall be for a sanctuary; but for a stone of stumbling and for a rock of offence to both the houses of Israel, for a gin and for a snare to the…

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Mike,

You asked:

Kathi, do you really think Paul was saying that the Father isn’t also our Lord?

Paul understands the Father is also our “kurios” Lord, and Paul understands that Jesus is also our theos. In the context of 1 Cor 8:6, Paul is identifying two persons who are our God and Lord. In the NT when the context is speaking about the Father a…[Read more]

@Mikeboll64

Prov 8

22Jehovah possessed me — the beginning of His way, Before His works since then.

23From the age I was anointed, from the first, From former states of the earth.

24In there being no depths, I was brought forth, In there being no fountains heavy waters,

25Before mountains were sunk, Before heights, I was brought f…[Read more]

@Mikeboll64

Hi Mike,

Yes, Pebbles, not Bambam. When I realized that I got the name wrong, the “edit” button was gone, haha.

You said:

The Bible ALWAYS identifies God with SINGULAR pronouns and verbs. But PLURAL families (the Flintstones) or entities (the YHVHs) would not be characterized with singular verbs and pronouns.

We say the Flintstones…

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@Proclaimer,

In Heb 1, I have written in parenthesis who I believe the pronouns apply to, maybe you can do the same exercise so we can see where we differ.

Heb 1:

1On many past occasions and in many different ways, God spoke to our fathers through the prophets. 2But in these last days He (the Father) has spoken to us by His Son,a whom He (the…[Read more]

@Proclaimer:

You said:

But about the Son he says,

The Son says…? The Psalmist says…?

The Father says, about the Son.

Let it be.

@Proclaimer,

You said:

I read a post of yours somewhere that pointed out that “ye are gods” is not using the word ‘theos’ but a plural version of that. Thanks for pointing that out.

You’re welcome, is that your way of apologizing for telling me to “shut your mouth” when I attempted the first time to show you that?

@Proclaimer

You wrote:

1 Cor 8:6 yet to us is one God, the Father, of whom are the all things, and we to Him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are the all things, and we through Him;

Stop pretending you believe this LU. Your teaching is clearly contrary to what this is saying.

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Hey Guys,

Hebrews 1 tell us all that it was the Son that was in the beginning, the mystery is solved but you keep denying it Gene.

But in these last days He has spoken to us by His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, and through whom He made the universe.

Later in Hebrews 1 the Father identifies the Son as YHVH.

10And:

“In the b…[Read more]

In response to the above post by Adam,

1 Peter 2

4Coming to Him (Jesus), a living stone, indeed rejected by men, but chosen and precious in the sight of God, 5you yourselves also, as living stones, are being built up as a spiritual house into a holy priesthood, to offer spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ. 6Therefore it…[Read more]