Mike,Habakkuk 1:12Are You not from everlasting, O LORD, my God, my Holy One? We will not die. You, O LORD, have appointed them to judge; And You, O Rock, have established them to correct.the Apostolic translation:Are you not from the beginning (arche), O LORD (YHVH)…So Mike, you should be able to see that both YHVH and the Son are from the same…[Read more]

Mike,Micah 5:2 does not in anyway speak about the beginning of His existence being from the beginning, from 'eons'It may be talking about when He was begotten, but this is not about a beginning of existence, just his goings forth is from the beginning, from eons. YHVH is also said to be from the 'eon.'Psalms 93:2In the Apostolic translation: from…[Read more]

Prove it then Pierre, or don't say such things!

Mike,I'll show you where arche' is used with YHVH. First look at the Apostolic Interlinear for Micah 5:2:Micah 5:2 And you, Bethlehem, of the house of Ephratah, are very few being among thousands of Judah; from out of you to me shall come forth the one being for ruler of Israel; and his goings forth were from the beginning (arche'), from .NASB…[Read more]

Mike,'Arche' is used for YHVH, elsewhere. Did you realize that?

Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 05 2011,10:22)Quote (Lightenup @ June 04 2011,23:45)Ha, Paul…touche'We each found a verse that both speak of YHVH being from everlasting with two different words which are both found in Micah 5:2 which Mike claims Jesus had a beginning because of those two words.If they prove Jesus had a beginning, then he has to say…[Read more]

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ June 05 2011,02:16)Hi Kathi,Quote Dennison,Actually, I believe the Father and Son are separate persons of one Godhead.That doesnt make any sense to me? so your stating that two persons become one person, or make up the concept of what is God. or what?Quote God, the Father is omnipotent because of the fullness of the Father…[Read more]

You would benefit to dwell on what it really means to be the literal Son of God, Mike. Then you would understand better.

t8,I didn't ask you to read a 'book,' just some documents which are 1-3 pages long, heck, just read the three that I have put up so far. I would hardly call that a 'book.' Also, I would hardly describe me as bouncing around from one thing to another. Geesh! I have been expressing that Jesus was the literal Son of God since day one here. I'm…[Read more]

Ha, Paul…touche'We each found a verse that both speak of YHVH being from everlasting with two different words which are both found in Micah 5:2 which Mike claims Jesus had a beginning because of those two words.If they prove Jesus had a beginning, then he has to say that YHVH had a beginning also, which we know He didn't. Good job!Time to get…[Read more]

Mike,If Micah 5:2 is teaching that the Son had a beginning, then Habakkuk 1:12 is saying the same about YHVH. The same word is used in each verse.Micah 5:2 “But as for you, Bethlehem Ephrathah, Too little to be among the clans of Judah, From you One will go forth for Me to be ruler in Israel. His goings forth are from long ago, From the days of…[Read more]

Good discernment Paul. That debate would be interesting! Do you think he has the courage…hmmm.

Mike,You don't seem to be able to discern between the man of the one who was both God and man and between the God of the one who was both God and man. It was the man that needed the power, etc., the Son had the power of God by nature.Quote You are putting limitations on the One who created the heavens, the earth, and everything in them -…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ June 04 2011,00:03)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 03 2011,14:28)Quote (SimplyForgiven @ June 03 2011,14:17)Mike,I agree with the whole church thing.  todays churchs are unscripturalHi DennisonSorry you feel that way. But how can you make a blanket statement like that about all churches? Have you been to all of them?The majority…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 03 2011,14:28)Quote (SimplyForgiven @ June 03 2011,14:17)Mike,I agree with the whole church thing.  todays churchs are unscripturalHi DennisonSorry you feel that way. But how can you make a blanket statement like that about all churches? Have you been to all of them?The majority of people getting saved, healed, and…[Read more]

Wow Mike,You have joined the ranks of condemnation with others here. You know that I don't believe the Son was created so your points about the Son being a creation are invalid towards me.There was a lot of 'saving' going on in scripture but the saving that the Son did was eternal. The others weren't. The Father was not able to offer eternal…[Read more]

Here are two that are YHVH:Zech 10:12 “And I will strengthen them in the LORD (YHVH), And in His name they will walk,” declares the LORD (YHVH).

Interesting how Job, after his flesh is destroyed by worms, will see God, while in his flesh.Job 19:25-27For I know that my Redeemer liveth, and that He shall stand at the latter day upon the earth. And though after my skin, worms destroy this body, yet in my flesh shall I see God: Whom I shall see for myself, and mine eyes shall behold, and not…[Read more]

Interesting how Job, after his flesh is destroyed by worms, will see God, while in his flesh.Job 19:25-27For I know that my Redeemer liveth, and that He shall stand at the latter day upon the earth. And though after my skin, worms destroy this body, yet in my flesh shall I see God: Whom I shall see for myself, and mine eyes shall behold, and not…[Read more]

Mike,Context tells you if “God” refers to a particular person within the Godhead, whether the Father or the Son, or if it refers to the Godhead which consists of the Father with His Son and their Spirit.Kathi