Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 06 2011,18:34)Quote (Is 1:18 @ June 06 2011,02:49)The council of Nicea dealt primarily with the issue of the deity of Christ. Over a century earlier the use of the term “Trinity” (“trinitas” in Latin) could be found in the writings of Origen (185-254) and Tertullian (160-220), and a general notion of a “divine three”, in…[Read more]

Mike,you said:Quote “Common sense” tells me to believe what's written, and not make up my own conclusion or words just because they speak what my ears are aching to hear.Good, then you can see that God is from everlasting to everlasting. That's a start.NASB ©Before the mountains were born Or You gave birth to the earth and the world, Even from…[Read more]

Mike,you said:Quote From our own point in time, we could rightfully say that Abraham was from “owlam” and his son Isaac was from “owlam”, right?What part of those two statements would tell our common sense that the “days of antiquity” that Abraham was from must be EARLIER days of antiquity than the days of antiquity that Isaac was from?Yes, common…[Read more]

Pierre,Yes, I do, actually, now that you asked.

Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 06 2011,17:08)Quote (Lightenup @ June 05 2011,20:36)Ps 90:2 Before the mountains themselves were born,Or you proceeded to bring forth as with labor pains the earth and the productive land,Even from time indefinite to time indefinite you are God.I don't know why you can't see this verse talking about Him being from eternity…[Read more]

Pierre,Are you waiting to love others when their doctrine lines up with what you think. I think that is a little backwards. Try loving first and let God take care of the rest. Foster a spirit of understanding within yourself of why people believe certain things. Everyone is at a different place in their walk and we all see things dimly. Love…[Read more]

Preach it Keith…preach it!Dennison,You ought to try to find the good in things…it is a much better way to live!I'm sure that satan would want you bashing churches.I'm also sure that God would not want you bashing churches.So you choose who you will serve.This country was founded on the desire for freedom of religion. Many denominations are a…[Read more]

You are welcome Irene…I was happy to lift you up in prayer! Glad all went well for the little German girl Love, Kathi

Hey Georg,I am so glad to hear it! Irene you should be home by now. Many of us were praying for you. Get your rest and follow your doctor's orders Love, Kathi

Pierre,It just goes to show you that you can have a Bible and not know everything in it.

Pierre,Learn about the 70, (in some documents it says 72) sent out ones here:1Now after this the Lord appointed seventy others, and sent them in pairs ahead of Him to every city and place where He Himself was going to come. 2And He was saying to them, “The harvest is plentiful, but the laborers are few; therefore beseech the Lord of the harvest t…[Read more]

Mike,Quote But the fact is that I don't know of anywhere in the whole of scripture where Jehovah is actually said to be “from eternity”, do you? It is commonly believed and taught because of many misuses of “owlam” and “aion”, but I seriously don't think a single scripture that actually says it is there in the Bible.Ps 90:2 Before the mountains…[Read more]

Mike,The word origin is according to the place where one is from, not the beginning of their existence. In other words, His origin in light of where He is from. He is from days of old. Is 'days of old' the name of His Father? YHVH is also from days of old, maybe they have the same father, eh?Also, you didn't answer my question about if you…[Read more]

Pierre,Jesus said that if people did not receive the apostle's words about Him, who were MEN btw and there were 72 of them, one of them being Addeaus whose document is on this thread, then they should shake off the dust off their feet and walk away from them.What did he say that scriptures don't agree with?Addaeus' words are…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 04 2011,10:25)Quote (Lightenup @ June 03 2011,22:45)The Father was not able to offer eternal salvation apart from His Son, was He?You are confusing the fact that God CHOSE a particular way and vessle through which to save us with your mistaken view that God WAS NOT ABLE to do it any other way.Kathi, consider that Jesus…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 05 2011,19:39)Quote (Lightenup @ June 05 2011,18:08)So Mike, you should be able to see that both YHVH and the Son are from the same time.But “arch” is used in Gen 1:1 also.  Is the earth also “from the same time” as Jehovah and Jesus?Jesus' disciples were said to have been with him “from arche”.  Are they also “from the s…[Read more]

Mike,Whether it was a first coming or second coming, He was and still is the God/Man.So regarding Micah 5:2 and Psalms 90:2, you are admitting that Micah does not tell us that the Son had a beginning of existence, right. So why did you use Micah 5 as a defense for your 'creation of the son' theory?

Mike,Wow, you were wrong, you should also confess that YHVH is said to be from the eon also.And what don't you get about the Messiah 'according to the flesh?' Of course He depended on the Lord's strength.

Quote (Is 1:18 @ June 04 2011,21:43)Istari, do you anything to offer us besides this juvenile campaign of invective?In another thread, I put this challenge to you:Quote By my count you asked 10 questions here and I'm guessing the post took you about 10 minutes to write. At 10 minutes a question it's going to take me over an hour and a half to…[Read more]

Istari,You should let Is 1:18 debate your Christology and you can tell him all about it. I will bump his challenge to you after I post this. As for me, I think you don't know what a true firstborn is and the fractal scriptures that support it. Firstborns are considered holy to the Lord, the firstborn is the first of the father's procreative…[Read more]