Mike,You question is misleading because you are acting like one part of the sentence that Paul says is the only part. When you use the complete thought of Paul's which includes the one Lord part, then I will answer your question.Good night and sweet dreams Mike,Kathi

Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 26 2011,20:28)Yeah…………..it's ME who doesn't understand!  Kathi, do we call more than one person a “HE”?”Echad” means the same in Hebrew as “one” means in English.  We can say Jehovah is ONE, meaning there is only ONE of them.  And we can say our hope is to be ONE with Jesus and his God, meaning a unity.Now, tell me…[Read more]

Pierre,You never asked me what translation I used. I often use the NASB, NIV, NET Bible…whichever one I think translates the verse best according to the Greek or Hebrew.My opinion of what the firstborn over all creation is, happens to be common and that is why I directed you to the firstborn thread. It is clear that we aren't going to get…[Read more]

Mike,Paul calls them both deity in that verse…both theos and kurios are words that are often used to apply to deity and in this verse that is the case. I think that is what Paul is saying.

David,Genesis 18 for starters.No scripture says that Jesus is the Father, as in His Father but Jesus is the one who gives eternal life and in that sense is a Father. He is not His own Father.

Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 26 2011,18:09)Quote (Lightenup @ June 26 2011,15:46)There is but one Almighty God on one side of the equation which encompasses two mighty Gods and their Spirit on the other side of the equation, as I understand it.Your understanding makes us have TWO Gods, which is a heresy.  Not even the Trinitarians go that far.Mike,I…[Read more]

Rena,You can ask 100 different people and likely get a large number of various opinions. Walk by the Spirit and let the Spirit guide you in understanding why Jesus is called the mighty God.

Mike,Does the Father save us apart from the Son?Quote I await your explanation as to why Jesus is many times distinguished as someone OTHER THAN and LESSOR TO “the only true God” and our “one God”. I have already been through this with you Mike.Kathi

Quote (david @ June 26 2011,18:47)Quote you go on and on about Jehovah this and Jehovah that but you don't seem to realize that the Son has the name Jehovah as well as the Father.  If this is true LU, then how do you know when I say “Jehovah” I am not speaking of “Jesus”?  Further, if the Son has the name “Jehovah” as you say, then it seems you a…[Read more]

Pierre,Quote here you are taking the wrong conclusion; scriptures are saying that he the beginning of creation before all things and so be the very first created being that God created,right. now all other thing that God created came to be trough HIM and this is what Paul is saying when he says ;THE FIRSTBORN OVER ALL CREATION, you see Paul got…[Read more]

t8,Quote Even Jesus is a son of the Most High except that he is the only begotten and firstborn. A big exception there t8. A difference between deity and non deity.God is a 'Him' on one side of the equation but on the other side of the equation, the Father is a mighty God, the Son is a mighty God, and with their Spirit they make the Father the…[Read more]

Mike,I think that God was always able to save us because He has always been a Father with a Son and Spirit. Both the Father and the Son are each equally a mighty God and the Son is inseparable to His Father. You can't have one without the other. They are echad…a unity.

Well Rena,I have no reason to think the ancient Syriac documents that are posted here are inaccurate. My spirit bears witness to them or I wouldn't put them here.

Pierre,You assume that someone who was born started existing at the moment of birth but I don't know why you think that…even humans existed before they were born. I believe the Son always existed before He was begotten.Kathi

Mike,Quote So when Abraham spoke to the only true God, he spoke to the EXACT SAME GOD that Jesus spoke to…………for there is but ONE God.Actually Abraham was speaking face to face with Jehovah, the Son. The Father was never seen by man.There is but one Almighty God on one side of the equation which encompasses two mighty Gods and their…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ June 26 2011,01:10)Quote (Lightenup @ June 26 2011,23:50)Pierre,To understand the phrase 'firstborn over all creation' ask yourself who Jesus calls His 'Father.'  Jesus doesn't call creation His 'Father.'  He calls God His Father.  Therefore He is the Firstborn of God, note that He is not first created but He is firstborn.  G…[Read more]

Mike,Quote But GOD NEVER CHANGES.And that is why we should know that the Son always existed. There always was a Father, a Son, and their Holy Spirit.

Pierre,They each have a spirit.The spirit of the Father.The spirit of the Son.Their spirits are united as one spirit and it dwells within believers. That is my understanding.Good night Pierre,Kathi

Pierre,To understand the phrase 'firstborn over all creation' ask yourself who Jesus calls His 'Father.' Jesus doesn't call creation His 'Father.' He calls God His Father. Therefore He is the Firstborn of God, note that He is not first created but He is firstborn. God has given all things to Him, His Firstborn. Hence, He is called the…[Read more]

Pierre,From your post above:Quote so you can start from worshiping God the father only and place the son where his glory belong next to his father but little lower.I will worship the Almighty God, our Father who is the Father, with the Son and their Spirit.