Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 24 2011,08:39)Quote (Lightenup @ July 21 2011,23:42)It seems that Jesus walks in accordance to the Father's will and asks the Father for things in accordance to His (Jesus') will.“My Father, if it is possible, may this cup be taken from me. Yet not as I will, but as you will.”This time, Jesus' will did not align with the…[Read more]

Both the Father and the Son are the one savior, salvation belongs to both of them, they are a compound unity. Salvation belongs to them as two persons in one compound unity. Creation also belongs to both of them as two persons in one compound unity. This compound unity is called 'Jehovah our God.' The name of the compound unity, 'Jehovah our…[Read more]

Mike,you said:Quote Kathi, who was the firstborn of all human beings? Would you consider it to be Adam, Eve, or Cain? No matter which one you consider to be “the firstborn of all mankind”, I'm sure you would be smart enough to know that “all mankind” refers to the GROUP that one was a MEMBER OF, and not to the “entity” that brought that one…[Read more]

Irene,Deut. 10:17 tells you who Jehovah our God is. He is both God of gods and Lord of lords. Deut 10:17 “For the LORD (Jehovah) your God is the God of gods and the Lord of lords, the great, the mighty, and the awesome God who does not show partiality nor take a bribe.1 Cor 8:6 tells us there is one God, the Father and one Lord Jesus Christ…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 23 2011,21:51)Quote (Lightenup @ July 23 2011,08:58)Try to lay down your understanding Mike, it is weakening you.Are you kidding me?  You list a bunch of scriptures that clearly DISTINGUISH Jesus as someone OTHER THAN our God, and illogically try to say they mean Jesus and the Father together make up our God!  You are on J…[Read more]

Mike,Quote Kathi, we are also said to be ONE with the Father.Where?

Mike,you said:Quote Numbers 3:45“Take the Levites in place of all the firstborn of Israel….Did the NATION of Israel give birth? Or does this refer to the firstborns who are MEMBERS OF the Nation of Israel?“Take the Levites instead of all the firstborn among the sons of Israel and the cattle of the Levites. And the Levites shall be Mine; I am t…[Read more]

Mike,You said:Quote Jesus is called the Lord of lords AND King of kings, right? Nebuchadnezzar is called the King of kings, right? So if we use the same formula that you use in Deut 10:17, we can come to the conclusion that Jesus is really a “compound unity” of Jesus AND Nebuchadnezzar.Because you say Jehovah is made up of the God of gods AND…[Read more]

Mike,Quote But I have a better idea. Let's see who JESUS HIMSELF says to worship:Matthew 4:10Jesus said to him, “Away from me, Satan! For it is written: ‘Worship the Lord your God, and serve him only.’Read this:‘Worship the Lord your God, and serve him only.’You need to get to know who Jehovah, your God is Mike.Deut 10:17 “For the LORD your God…[Read more]

Pierre,If you don't know those elementary answers, you need to study your Bible, not ask someone that you automatically insult every one of their responses. I am not interested in entertaining you. I'm going to pass…not worth my time, sorry. I would rather spend my time helping someone.Kathi

Mike,Quote That passage tells of the firstborn OF God's creation, and never says he actually CREATED a single thing.Actually the verse is translated as 'firstborn of all creation' or 'firstborn over all creation.'Look at this passage in the OT:Numbers 8:16 for they are wholly given to Me from among the sons of Israel. I have taken them for Myself…[Read more]

Keith…good post all the way!Blessings, Kathi

So, Pierre,You just make these statements that tell me some insult but you don't point out anything specific about my post. Do you know who Elihu is?

Pierre,What do you mean about mixing ingredients. You can see that it says He has become a high priest forever.The double nature shows a duality of roles:6who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped, 7but emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 21 2011,20:59)Quote (terraricca @ July 21 2011,16:59)but when God is called Lord of Lords ,this as to be seen he is the Lord over whatever his, his creation and so includes the Lord Christ,Hmmmm……………I wonder if that's why our Lord of lords calls the God of gods “my God”?  Perhaps that's also why he says that our…[Read more]

20“My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message, 21that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me. 22I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be one as we are one: 23I i…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 19 2011,20:19)Quote (Lightenup @ July 19 2011,13:00)Mike,I think that it was both their decision and foreordained before the foundation of the world.Is there a scripture where JESUS' will is the one done in heaven or on earth?  Is there a scripture where their “combined will” is done?Or are there only scriptures where the…[Read more]

Mike,There are angels in heaven and we are not to worship angels. The firstborn over all creation created them. Only the Father and the Son receive worship.If you want verses to prove that there are angels in heaven, do a word search.If you want to see that the firstborn over all creation created all things in heaven, go to Col 1.If you want to…[Read more]

Well, Pierre, I can't answer a question if I don't understand what is being asked. Maybe someone else that claims to understand your posts can answer you.Kathi

Pierre,He was not created.  You miss truth there.  The God of gods created the world through the Lord of lords, creation belongs to both of them, just like salvation belongs to both of them.  Both of them form a compound unity named Jehovah, our God.You say it is not scriptural but you do not defend that with apologetics, so it is only the op…[Read more]