Hi Adam,

You said:

So you think that I am offended by so called Rock of offense?

Yes, you reject the stone that has become the precious cornerstone, obviously. Jesus is not the Messiah according to you and the NT is not God’s Word, also according to you.

You also said:

Your claim of two Yahwehs is some thing strange to Hebrew Bible.

This is what…[Read more]

Hi Adam,

Regarding 1 Peter, you said:

Again 1 Peter taken a portion of scripture from Isaiah 8;

8:13 Sanctify the LORD of hosts himself; and let him be your fear, and let him be your dread.

8:14 And he shall be for a sanctuary; but for a stone of stumbling and for a rock of offence to both the houses of Israel, for a gin and for a snare to the…

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Mike,

You asked:

Kathi, do you really think Paul was saying that the Father isn’t also our Lord?

Paul understands the Father is also our “kurios” Lord, and Paul understands that Jesus is also our theos. In the context of 1 Cor 8:6, Paul is identifying two persons who are our God and Lord. In the NT when the context is speaking about the Father a…[Read more]

@Mikeboll64

Prov 8

22Jehovah possessed me — the beginning of His way, Before His works since then.

23From the age I was anointed, from the first, From former states of the earth.

24In there being no depths, I was brought forth, In there being no fountains heavy waters,

25Before mountains were sunk, Before heights, I was brought f…[Read more]

@Mikeboll64

Hi Mike,

Yes, Pebbles, not Bambam. When I realized that I got the name wrong, the “edit” button was gone, haha.

You said:

The Bible ALWAYS identifies God with SINGULAR pronouns and verbs. But PLURAL families (the Flintstones) or entities (the YHVHs) would not be characterized with singular verbs and pronouns.

We say the Flintstones…

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@Proclaimer,

In Heb 1, I have written in parenthesis who I believe the pronouns apply to, maybe you can do the same exercise so we can see where we differ.

Heb 1:

1On many past occasions and in many different ways, God spoke to our fathers through the prophets. 2But in these last days He (the Father) has spoken to us by His Son,a whom He (the…[Read more]

@Proclaimer:

You said:

But about the Son he says,

The Son says…? The Psalmist says…?

The Father says, about the Son.

Let it be.

@Proclaimer,

You said:

I read a post of yours somewhere that pointed out that “ye are gods” is not using the word ‘theos’ but a plural version of that. Thanks for pointing that out.

You’re welcome, is that your way of apologizing for telling me to “shut your mouth” when I attempted the first time to show you that?

@Proclaimer

You wrote:

1 Cor 8:6 yet to us is one God, the Father, of whom are the all things, and we to Him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are the all things, and we through Him;

Stop pretending you believe this LU. Your teaching is clearly contrary to what this is saying.

Oh I believe it, but I also believe that YHVH is two persons,…[Read more]

Hey Guys,

Hebrews 1 tell us all that it was the Son that was in the beginning, the mystery is solved but you keep denying it Gene.

But in these last days He has spoken to us by His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, and through whom He made the universe.

Later in Hebrews 1 the Father identifies the Son as YHVH.

10And:

“In the b…[Read more]

In response to the above post by Adam,

1 Peter 2

4Coming to Him (Jesus), a living stone, indeed rejected by men, but chosen and precious in the sight of God, 5you yourselves also, as living stones, are being built up as a spiritual house into a holy priesthood, to offer spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ. 6Therefore it…[Read more]

JESUS PRE-EXISTED AS THE SON OF GOD THE FATHER!!

Heb 1:1 On many past occasions and in many different ways, God spoke to our fathers through the prophets. 2But in these last days He has spoken to us by His Son,whom He appointed heir of all things, and through whom He made the universe.

And what does the Father say that His SON did during…[Read more]

Hi Adam,

I hope you find your way out of your spirit of doubt and enjoy the whole Jewish Bible.

Best wishes, LU

Hi Adam,

You said:

But the Historians are critical about the person’s fate who was crucified as a Roman criminal.

Is there a topic for that?

You asked:

The question here is whether El Elyon(Most High God) had been merged with LORD(Yahweh) in the later texts of Hebrew Bible? If so when this change took place?

We still find these traces in Deut 3…

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Amen Berean,

Regarding this:

Hi Berean,

Can you see that the Father is identifying the Son as YHVH who laid the foundation of the earth and that the heavens are the works of His hands in Heb 1:10-12?

 

Hi LU

TOTALY LU

For me They have the same divine NAME: YHVH

EXAMPLE:
In the PSALMS 24 who identifies The Son as the King of glory We can see…

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Adam,

Deuteronomy 21:22-23

22If a man has committed a sin worthy of death, and he is executed, and you hang his body on a tree, 23you must not leave the body on the tree overnight, but you must be sure to bury him that day, because anyone who is hung on a tree is under God’s curse. You must not defile the land that the LORD your God is giving y…[Read more]

@Proclaimer,

It uses the PLURAL form of “theos” which is not spelled t h e o s. The plural form used is  “t h e o i.” See here:

That shows you that “t h e o s” is not like the word “sheep” which is the same spelling whether it is plural or not. If “theos” were like the word sheep, why is it spelled differently as “t h e o i?”

Hi Adam,

You said:

I can’t get any thing from this group called Messianic Jews who are purely Trinitarian Christians in disguise of Jewishness.

I think it would be very wise for you to look to people who are Jewish that didn’t used to follow Jesus as the Messiah but changed to become followers of Jesus as the Messiah.

Also, I am not convinced t…[Read more]

@Proclaimer,

I will ask you a third time:

Regarding this:

@Proclaimer,

I think we are having a communication issue. Your post about plurals and singulars compare the word like “sheep” which is spelled the same way whether it is singular or plural, with the word “theos” and then go on to say how theos is plural in John 10:34. It is true that th…[Read more]

@Proclaimer,

I will ask you again (second time).

@Proclaimer

You said:

Read my post again. I’ll state it in another way. You have both bought into this doctrine as being what the New Testament teaches.
You do not know what the trinity doctrine teaches for you to say this. The Holy Spirit is a third person in that doctrine. When have I said t…[Read more]