John 8:24 is mistranslated. Earlier manuscripts do not have the added words. You knew that probably though didn't you.John 8:24 That is why I told you that you will die in your sins, for unless you believe that I AM, you will die in your sins.”You are interested in truth, right? Choose newer translations over the KJV when you see that they have…[Read more]

Mike,I don't have much time right now. Maybe Paul can address your points here.Kathi

t8,Who is saying that Jesus is the Lord of/over God? I am saying that Jesus is Jehovah with the Father not over the Father.God made the man part of Jesus many things, including Lord and Christ. The divine, pre-existing part of Jesus was Lord already. He was the creator with the Father after all.Also, we aren't saying that there is more than one…[Read more]

Ok Shimmer, you are welcome

Mike,I would like you to delete it please. You are discussing a scripture already posted. This is not a thread for discussions.Thanks.

Shimmer,God knows the answer to the question, you can be assured of that. In His time He will tell you if you seek to know and listen with an open heart. For me it gradually came within a few days and then more and more for a month for a significant part. After that, more and more understanding has come even 18 years later.Don't be…[Read more]

Shimmer,Ok, thanks for your honest reply.Now, since you are in a window of time where you are feeling that love…would you consider asking God to show you if His Son was created out of nothing or was He begotten from within Him before creation and see if He would be so gracious to show you this.In my opinion, God wants to reveal that truth. He…[Read more]

Ok, take your time Shimmer.

Shimmer,Thanks for your answer.Another question. You said that you believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God and that was what God revealed to you. Can you tell me how God revealed that to you? Was it by reading the verse that you wrote in your post and then you just accepted it as truth, or was it in a different manner?Kathi

Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 30 2011,09:51)Here is where anyone can post a verse or passage from the Bible, that demonstrates more than one person or thing acting and/or speaking as one.This is not a thread for discussion but to collect verses that show a plural subject, or compound subject, or more than one person as a group performing an action that…[Read more]

Ok, shimmer, thanks for sharing.I would like to ask you one thing about what you shared. You say that Jesus told you to look up verses. If I remember right, you believe that Jesus is a created angel. How can Jesus be just a created angel and not deity and tell you things when He isn't in the room, visibly? How can He be telling people things…[Read more]

Irene,You say this in this thread:Quote Making remarks about others believes is uncalled forand then you said this in another thread:Quote Nobody insulted you, only your doctrine….https://www.heavennet.net/cgi-bin….3;st=20So which is it Irene…it is ok for you to insult another's doctrine if you and your buddies are the insulter? Are you…[Read more]

You are the bully shimmer and you have been the bully for a very long time. You have always been the initiator. You are not alone though. You initiate, I stand up to you. You are so confused!

Princess,Quote Kathi, is it your goal in life to insult ones intelligence level, it seems to be a repeatative habit of yours.Really good example of doing the twist here…you are the one that started the whole thing about my boring posts…you are the initiator here and I stand up to you. Don't get confused. I will keep posting as long as I care…[Read more]

Quote (shimmer @ Aug. 31 2011,23:31)So whos in a bad mood then? Is something troubling you Kathi? It seems you do have a nice habit of tearing people down with what you say. If not that then the opposite, dependant on who it is.Shimmer,No, I am not in a bad mood but thanks for your concern.  If someone wants to take a punch at me, they are the…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 31 2011,22:07)Kathi, I posted in your new thread about the compound unity of Jesus and his disciples.  You are right that being a part of a compound unity with Jesus doesn't mean I died on a cross.  Or that all things were created through you.  On this part we agree.So…………….why is it that Jesus being a part of a…[Read more]

Shimmer,Many people have faith in things that are not true. People have faith in allah, buddah, etc.Many people have faith in a creature, other people put their faith in a creator.Some people have a creature as their god.Some people have a Creator as their God.No one can take away anyone's faith but if you have faith in the wrong thing, that…[Read more]

Princess,Here is your nasty insult, i.e. personal attack. I'm not surprised that you had to ask.Quote Since I am not one to play coy, WJ & KJ & LU are not permitted to post here. They post enough already and quite frankly it has become a bore, bordering on annoyance.You mentioned long ago that my posts were quite the bore, but obviously you keep…[Read more]

Mike,You said:Quote Btw, what I said before had to do with people misrepresenting someone else's beliefs or words in a thread where that person could not defend themselves.  So far, no one here has misrepresented your beliefs, from what I can see.  If someone does, than it is my vote that you have every right to correct the misrepresentation r…[Read more]

I answered your post Mike. Think about it for a while and maybe it will sink in.Kathi