Mike,All fathers by default had a beginning and did not exist at one point, so therefore, by your default logic, the Heavenly Father did not exist at one point? Why compare the supernatural to the natural? Created was not used in reference to the Son, ever, except that all things were created through Him.Scripture tells us that Jesus was the…[Read more]

Pierre,Jesus is both…God and man. He had a God the Father who begat Him before the ages and He had a mother that begat Him as a man.Kathi

Quote (t8 @ Sep. 07 2011,17:43)Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 08 2011,03:25)If the eternal Light begets more Light, that begotten Light was always there, just not brought forth until the right time.Think about it. Huge assumption and no scriptural backing.We know that Jesus came from God, but you are saying that he always was, which is different.John…[Read more]

Interesting Jack,Quote Again, the text they used says “Christ” but they omitted it and substituted “Jehovah” in its place.I wonder why they did that.Is it your opinion that the Father is not called YHVH but only the Son is?Kathi

Jack,So when you say “Hear, O Israel: YHWH our God is one Being.” Are you indicating that YHVH is one who is? Or are you saying that YHVH is one person? Or one existence? I am not sure what you mean when you say 'one Being.' Can you help me here to understand you?Thanks,Kathi

Hi Jack,I don't find the word 'being' in the Hebrew text. YHVH is written twice in the Hebrew text. I don't think your translation is the best.I think the better translation would be either:Hear, Israel: Jehovah is our God; Jehovah is one:orHear, Israel: Jehovah our God is one Jehovah;I don't know Hebrew grammar so is Jehovah the subject of a…[Read more]

Pierre, A son of man is another one who is man.A son of God is another one who is God.That is what was meant by Charles, I think, and that is what I agree with.Kathi

Mike,The word born is only a dead giveaway to Him being a Son and that He has a Father. That is as far as you can take that. You can't know how long He existed before He was born merely by the idea that He was born.Jesus is God, the Son because He is the Son of God, the Father. Since they are both deity beings, they are both most high in their…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 04 2011,14:03)Bump for Kathi, invite for Paul:Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 06 2011,08:18)Jehovah is both God and Lord, Irene.Psalm 110:1 Jehovah says to my Lord:   “Sit at my right hand until I make your enemies   a footstool for your feet.”Kathi, if Jesus is a part of "Jehovah", then who is the "Lord" to whom JEHOVAH said, &#034…[Read more]

Mike,The root is the pre-existent Son, the 'sprout' is the human Son, together they are the incarnation of the begotten God and flesh man.Jehovah in the fullest sense is the unity of the Father and Son and their SpiritEach member of this unity is also called Jehovah, one as the Father and one as the Son.Context will help.John Gill is a good…[Read more]

Quote (Pastry @ Sep. 06 2011,14:49)Kathi!  We are all Human Beings, but we are not all the same, just like Jesus is mot the same then His Father, that is what is important….. You want to make Jesus the same then His Father who by Jesus own words is greater then He is….. You will never convince me that Jesus is called Jehovah, that is the…[Read more]

Quote (carmel @ Sep. 07 2011,01:05)Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 11 2011,04:16)CharlesJn 18:37 “You are a king, then!” said Pilate. Jesus answered, “You are right in saying I am a king. In fact, for this reason I was born, and for this I came into the world, to testify to the truth. Everyone on the side of truth listens to me.”Jn 18:38 “What is truth?…[Read more]

If the eternal Light begets more Light, that begotten Light was always there, just not brought forth until the right time.Think about it.

Quote (Pastry @ Sep. 05 2011,20:22)Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 06 2011,10:36)Irene,All my children are equally human natured as their father is.Likewise, Jesus is equally deity natured as His father is.Are your children less human natured than Georg or are they equal in this regards?Kathi!  Our Children are not equal to us, neither is Jesus, by His…[Read more]

t8 has addressed two posts to me, above, why if I am not to post here, where do I answer him? t8 do you have that answer?

Matthew 15:8“‘This people honors me with their lips, but their heart is far from me;Again we see an example of a singular demomstrative pronoun, 'this.' with a compound unity designated as 'people.'

Jeremiah 16:5 For thus said Jehovah: Do not enter the house of a mourning-feast, Nor go to lament nor bemoan for them, For I have removed My peace from this people, An affirmation of Jehovah, The kindness and the mercies.Here is an example of a singular demonstrative pronoun, 'this,' with a compound unity designated as 'people.'

Mike,Stay away from the compound unity thread if you are going to post a lie on purpose and mislead. You purposely posted a lie, Mike. That is against God. You admitted to lying in your post just now, but of course not in so many words. first you said:Quote These scriptures show that the Kingdom not only belongs to the Father and the Son, but…[Read more]

Mike,Yes.

Irene,I did not put any false accusations. When I accuse you of anything, it is true and I can prove it. This is what I wrote:Quote For starters, you believe that 'firstborn' means 'first created' which it does not.Are you denying that you believe that firstborn means first created?You, yourself said this:Quote He created Jesus from nothing.You…[Read more]