Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 11 2011,14:30)So, then you DO think we have TWO Almighty Gods?  And you DO worship TWO Almighty Gods?Kathi, why hide behind confusing word games?  If you believe in and worship TWO Almighty Gods, then have to GUTS and CONVICTION to just say so boldly and without confusion, okay?Mike,Still other seed fell on fertile soil. T…[Read more]

Mike,Satan IS extremely illogical, he is the father of lies. To speak lies when the ONE who is truth and is your judge can hear you, is extremely illogical. He exalts himself as a god…that alone tells you how illogical he is.Also, you will have to account for all your careless insults before God's throne one day.Matt 12:36 “But I tell you t…[Read more]

Mike,you said:Quote It is your assertion that when Jesus utters the most common pronoun-verb combination in any language, he is secretly telling us he is Jehovah God, right? You are taking the “I AM” to mean “Jehovah”, right? Let's spell it out your way:John 8:24That is why I told you that you will die in your sins, for unless you believe that…[Read more]

Mike,From what is said in the NET notes, Jehovah means He IS. Jehovah is third person singular of the I AM pronoun/verb.Also from the NET notes:”Others argue for a causative Hiphil translation of “I will cause to be,” but nowhere in the Bible does this verb appear in Hiphil or Piel.“Furthermore, since God doesn't change, the future tense that you…[Read more]

John 12:48“He who rejects Me and does not receive My sayings, has one who judges him; the word I spoke is what will judge him at the last day. 49“For I did not speak on My own initiative, but the Father Himself who sent Me has given Me a commandment as to what to say and what to speak. 50“I know that His commandment is eternal life; there…[Read more]

Mike,The NET Bible translator notes disagree with you as well as most translations. NET ©God said to Moses, “I am that I am.” 1 And he said, “You must say this 2 to the Israelites, ‘I am has sent me to you.’”NIV ©God said to Moses, “I AM WHO I AM. This is what you are to say to the Israelites: ‘I AM has sent me to you.’”NASB ©God said to Mos…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 11 2011,12:49)What does that mean, Kathi?  Does it mean you have only ONE God, who is made up of TWO persons?  Or does it mean you have TWO GODS who are one in purpose?Because in the Freak Greek thread, you clearly said that Jesus was A DIFFERENT GOD who was with “THE God” in the beginning.It seems to me that we both a…[Read more]

Yes to the fact that satan was trying to bribe the one who created him.  Satan also bribed Eve to think she could be like the one who made her.edited to correct spelling.

Here we have again an instance where the translators changed the form from plural to singular, the verb is also plural:King James BibleAnd what one nation in the earth is like thy people, even like Israel, whom God went to redeem for a people to himself, and to make him a name, and to do for you great things and terrible, for thy land, before thy…[Read more]

Another OT verse where the plural 'Gods' is translated as the singular and so also the predicate which is plural is translated as the singular Gen 20:10 And Abimelech said to Abraham, “What have you encountered, that you have done this thing?” 11Abraham said, “Because I thought, surely there is no fear of God in this place, and they will kill…[Read more]

Here is another from the OT where the plural verb is translated as a singular verb:King James BibleAnd Joshua said unto the people, Ye cannot serve the LORD: for he is an holy God; he is a jealous God; he will not forgive your transgressions nor your sins.According to the Hebrew, it appears that this verse should say:And Joshua said unto the…[Read more]

Psalm 149:2Here is another with a plural word that was translated as a singular.King James BibleLet Israel rejoice in him that made him: let the children of Zion be joyful in their King.If the plural form were left intact, this verse should read:Let Israel rejoice in his Makers: let the children of Zion be joyful in their King.Gill's commentary in…[Read more]

Isaiah 54:5″For your husband is your Maker, Whose name is the LORD of hosts; And your Redeemer is the Holy One of Israel, Who is called the God of all the earth.Very interesting fact about the above scripture is this:”For thy Maker is thine husband – Both these words, 'maker' and 'husband,' in the Hebrew are in the plural number. But the form is…[Read more]

Two that are ONE Mike. You leave that 'that are ONE' out conveniently? Do you desire to deceive and mislead?Kathi

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 30 2011,18:35)Hi Kathi,I'm sorry to hear about your friend's tragic loss.  You have missed the point of this thread because I, like an idiot, once again titled one of my threads with misleading words.  The OP shows the intention of this thread, but you sure wouldn't know if from the title I gave it.  I will transfer my OP…[Read more]

Irene,Quote According to you I dished out the accusation that Jesus was created…. However I give Scripture with it…… That it not the accusation that I directed you to that I wanted you to prove, it was the one about me not participating in Mike's thread because I was afraid to discuss scriptures and also that I invented the compound unity of…[Read more]

Irene,Why do you think I put up all those scriptures about the deity of Christ, so that I could prove He wasn't deity? If He is deity, He is eternal.Now about proving things, you have some proving to do here:second and third post down:https://www.heavennet.net/cgi-bin….9;st=20Go ahead Irene, prove your accusations…or apologize, I am patiently…[Read more]

Yes, Irene, I believe that Jesus always did exist.Kathi

Hi Paul,The Firstborn of Col 1:15 had to exist as the 'firstborn' before all things were created by Him, so He was born before the ages. The Nicene Creed agrees with this, so does the Chalcedonian Creed and the Anathasian Creed.Nicene Creed:Traditional WordingI believe in one God,the Father Almighty,maker of heaven and earth,and of all things…[Read more]

Mike,Quote I know that because he was born at all, it means he had a beginning.You appraise supernatural birth by natural birth understandings and you can't derive laws of the supernatural from the laws of the natural.  Quote Jesus is the Son OF God because he is the Son OF God.  The words “Son OF God” never, ever mean “God the Son”.  Don't yo…[Read more]