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Lightenup replied to the topic John 1:1 in the forum Scriptural Teachings 4 years, 9 months ago
Proclaimer you wrote to Danny:
I would have said the following were correct:
Eve is adam
Eve is man
Adam and Eve are adam
Adam and Eve are manI believe the following is correct:
The Son is theos
The Son is god
The Father and the Son are theos
The Father and the Son are god.
The Father is not the Son.
Two persons are theos.
Two persons are…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic John 1:1 in the forum Scriptural Teachings 4 years, 9 months ago
Hi Danny,
You wrote:
Jesus and His Father are both deity not just divine.
I believe this is what John 1:1 teaches.
“what God was, the Word was”The terms “divinity” and “deity” can be confusing. In most cases the terms have identical meanings.
However, some have used “divine” to refer to an angel, since it came from God.
However, a…Lightenup replied to the topic John 1:1 in the forum Scriptural Teachings 4 years, 9 months ago
Hi Danny,
You posted:
Irenaeus wrote around AD 185 and mentions John 1:1 five times.
In one reference he comments, “‘and the Word was God,’ of course, for that which is begotten of God is God.”That which is begotten of the eternal One is part of the family of YHVH and is every bit a YHVH as the eternal One that begat Him.
Would you agree t…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic John 1:1 in the forum Scriptural Teachings 4 years, 9 months ago
Mike,
You said:
Kathi, do you believe that Jesus is 100% identical in every single way to the one he calls his God?
Is it possible that the angels were produced the same way? Why or why not?
I believe the Father and Son are identical in every way possible except one was begotten as the only begotten (the Son), and the other (the Father) was…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic John 1:1 in the forum Scriptural Teachings 4 years, 9 months ago
Mike,
You said: Of course we know the word “begotten” in this case isn’t literal because we know that God the Father didn’t have sex with God the Mother to produce Jesus.
Of course there is asexual reproduction which wouldn’t require a partner. I believe it is entirely possible for the eternal One to asexually reproduce and “literally” beget a…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic John 1:1 in the forum Scriptural Teachings 4 years, 9 months ago
Does God have essence or IS God essence? Can you answer that?
Or maybe you think that God does not have essence. It would be impossible for the Son to be the exact representation of the Father’s essence if He did not have any essence?
Undebunked.
Lightenup replied to the topic John 1:1 in the forum Scriptural Teachings 4 years, 9 months ago
God is eternal, was God always a father?
If so, then God always had a son.
If not, then is it remotely possible that God asexually reproduced?
If God asexually reproduced, is it possible that God took from Himself essence that always was in Himself and then gave it to another one just like Himself?
If so, then the essence in God is the same in…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic Was Jesus Jewish Messiah – What does the Hebrew Bible really say? in the forum Doctrinal Disagreements 4 years, 9 months ago
Thanks for the list Adam. Have the Jews found their Messiah yet according to you? What has to happen before they he comes?
Lightenup replied to the topic John 1:1 in the forum Scriptural Teachings 4 years, 9 months ago
Thanks Berean, lovely song.
Blessings, LU
Lightenup replied to the topic Was Jesus Jewish Messiah – What does the Hebrew Bible really say? in the forum Doctrinal Disagreements 4 years, 9 months ago
Adam do you have a list of Messianic prophecies that you believe are truly Messianic prophecies?
Lightenup replied to the topic Was Jesus Jewish Messiah – What does the Hebrew Bible really say? in the forum Doctrinal Disagreements 4 years, 9 months ago
Adam,
You said:
In Hebrews 1, why is Psalms 102:25–28 seen as referring to Jesus, rather than to God?
In the beginning of Ps 102, the Psalmist uses the term “O LORD”
v1 Hear my prayer, O LORD, And let my cry come to You
It makes sense to assume that v 1-24 are referring to God Yahweh.
In v 25-28 he doesn’t use a definitive name. Both the NKJ…
Lightenup replied to the topic Was Jesus Jewish Messiah – What does the Hebrew Bible really say? in the forum Doctrinal Disagreements 4 years, 9 months ago
Adam,
You did not prove that the writer of Hebrews interpreted the Hebrew scriptures wrong with that article. The article agrees that YHVH is being associated with Jesus and it is not condemning that but emphasizing that the Jews did not understand the full meaning of their scriptures and how they related to Jesus as YHVH who laid the foundation…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic John 1:1 in the forum Scriptural Teachings 4 years, 9 months ago
Proclaimer,
Your statement that was incorrect and not the trinity doctrine was this:
Thus the substance is the one true God (He) and three persons (they) qualify as being in the club.
Consubstantial means of one and the same substance, essence, or nature, especially the three divine persons of the Christian Trinity.
If your statement was correct…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic Was Jesus Jewish Messiah – What does the Hebrew Bible really say? in the forum Doctrinal Disagreements 4 years, 9 months ago
Adam,
You article should have a reference as to the source of the article so credit is given to the author and so it can be searched out. Please add a link to what you copy and paste in the future. I did find the article here:
The article is not suggesting that the…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic John 1:1 in the forum Scriptural Teachings 4 years, 9 months ago
Proclaimer:
Nice try but that is not what the trinity is.
Also, nice try on your spin of what Thomas said. I think that Thomas referring to Jesus as the God of himself and the Lord of himself agrees perfectly with what the Father calls the Son in Hebrews 1, YHVH who laid the foundation of the earth and the heavens are the works of the Son’s…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic Was Jesus Jewish Messiah – What does the Hebrew Bible really say? in the forum Doctrinal Disagreements 4 years, 10 months ago
Hi Adam,
You said:
This is purely the interpretation of the writer of the Hebrews, placing Jesus the supposed Messiah above the Angels and even at par with the creator God. He simply copied and pasted the Hebrew scriptures which originally refer to God Yahweh and assigned them to Jesus as if God himself addressed Jesus as God. This is purely his…
Lightenup replied to the topic John 1:1 in the forum Scriptural Teachings 4 years, 10 months ago
Interesting that Adam’s post does not mention the term “redemption” or “redeem” or “firstborn” yet to celebrate the Passover Moses writes this:
11“Now when the LORD brings you to the land of the Canaanite, as He swore to you and to your fathers, and gives it to you, 12you shall devote to the LORD every firstborn of a womb, and every firstborn o…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic Was Jesus Jewish Messiah – What does the Hebrew Bible really say? in the forum Doctrinal Disagreements 4 years, 10 months ago
Hi Adam,
You said: Coming to the irrelevant question, Was Jesus “Lord, Liar or Lunatic”? I think it is a biased question because there can be many other options than these three.
Please enlighten me as to what the other option might be in your opinion.
After you answer that question, please tell me if the Father in the NT is the God of truth, a L…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic Was Jesus Jewish Messiah – What does the Hebrew Bible really say? in the forum Doctrinal Disagreements 4 years, 10 months ago
Adam,
Was Jesus a liar or a lunatic according to you? Do you have an opinion? You certainly don’t believe that Jesus is Lord. It is a valid question no matter who has asked it before. Please answer.
Thanks, LU
Lightenup replied to the topic John 1:1 in the forum Scriptural Teachings 4 years, 10 months ago
Proclaimer:
You said: God has divine nature, but many doctrines argue that divine nature has God
Me: Name a doctrine that says that.
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