Frank,But I never said that He was His own Father. There are two persons that are called Yahweh. The Father gave His Son His own name. Many fathers do that even now. Do you have a Frank Jr.?John 17:11″I am no longer in the world; and yet they themselves are in the world, and I come to You. Holy Father, keep them in Your name, the name which…[Read more]

Quote Removing 'the son of' turns the truth into the lie. A truth that many are trying to dispel. But the gates of hell cannot prevail against this truth.Did Thomas lie when He called Jesus His Lord and His God??Did Jesus lie when He affirmed Thomas for calling Him that??

Frank,Hello…I thought you should know that the bridegroom that is coming for the church is the Son, Yahweh. Isaiah speaks of Him here:Isaiah 54:5″For your husband is your Maker, Whose name is the LORD (Yahweh) of hosts; And your Redeemer is the Holy One of Israel, Who is called the God of all the earth. The Father, Yahweh, never is said to be…[Read more]

Pierre,Quote this is written in black and white ,NO??Nothing there says anything about the Son being created. It does say that all things were created by Him though Kathi

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 15 2011,17:00)Jack, will you address the fact that anytime Jehovah called himself by Name, He said “I am I AM”?  Will you address the fact that Jesus never said that phrase?Kathi?  Will you address this point?(Disclaimer:  I am using the “I AM” definition of “YHWH” solely to make a point here.  I believe that God's per…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 14 2011,21:47)Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 14 2011,19:46)Also, regarding the 'ego eimi'…why would people die in their sins?  They all believed that He existed.  He was claiming something more than just existence that one had to believe.That's why the NIV has it right.  They understand and translate the spirit of what Jesus wa…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Nov. 15 2011,02:42)Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 15 2011,12:22)t8,The 'ego eimi' does not have a direct object and that makes it significantly different than the other times.  You don't seem to see that it makes a difference.Kathi, if they asked if he was Jesus of Nazareth, and 'I am' is a sufficient answer if you wish to reply with a…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 15 2011,19:41)Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 15 2011,19:51)Pierre,A firstborn already has existed for a while within it's 'host' before getting the title of 'firstborn.' The claim that He is the Firstborn does not speak about an origin but a begettal of one that was already in existence.KathiKathiGod is not man ,he does not…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 14 2011,21:21)Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 14 2011,19:02)Quote (mikeboll @ 64)There is only ONE Jesus, Kathi.  The Son of Man who said “I came down from heaven” is the Son of God who was in heaven before he came down from heaven. There is also only one Mikeboll here but sometimes I speak to you as the moderator and sometimes I…[Read more]

Pierre,A firstborn already has existed for a while within it's 'host' before getting the title of 'firstborn.' The claim that He is the Firstborn does not speak about an origin but a begettal of one that was already in existence.Kathi

Also, regarding the 'ego eimi'…why would people die in their sins? They all believed that He existed. He was claiming something more than just existence that one had to believe.

That would be very hard to see…I agree! A friend of mine died today but she was in her 60's and had a terminal illness. My pastor says, “Sudden death…sudden glory.” We have to believe that by faith and they believe that by existing in it now. They are the ones that are more alive than the ones left behind. That is our hope.Kathi

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 14 2011,17:10)Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 13 2011,23:12)Mike,Read my signature…it tells you I have a better idea:  YOU should read the scriptures I listed and take notice of the fact that your signature disagrees with them.  Mike,You don't understand unity and you don't understand the different roles that Jesus had…one a…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 14 2011,19:20)Nope, Kathi.  I went to that thread AFTER I finished with this one.  And I've already addressed your points over there.  But to be fair, I brought up Rev 4:11 to you a couple of weeks ago – and until today you HAVE refused to address it.But since we are discussing it in the other thread, how about you ad…[Read more]

t8,The 'ego eimi' does not have a direct object and that makes it significantly different than the other times.  You don't seem to see that it makes a difference.The bottom line is that Thomas called Him, 'MY Lord and MY God.'  Jesus did not disagree with that acknowledgement but called those of us blessed who believe that when we did not see H…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 14 2011,19:15)Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 14 2011,18:02)Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 14 2011,09:55)KathiQuote The Isaiah passage seems to be the Father speaking about the Son of man which was not involved in creation…the Son of God was involved in creation.  The Son of God was not yet the Messiah when He was with the Father in…[Read more]

Mike,you said:Quote There is only ONE Jesus, Kathi.  The Son of Man who said “I came down from heaven” is the Son of God who was in heaven before he came down from heaven. There is also only one Mikeboll here but sometimes I speak to you as the moderator and sometimes I speak to you as just a member.  I believe that the Father spoke to His Son u…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 13 2011,17:28)Kathi?  Rev 4:11?  Is 42:1-9?  WHO did the creating?  You can address this point either in this thread or in your poll thread about the Creator……………but please address these scriptures in one of the threads.So Mike,You say that I can discuss these verses here or in the other thread. Now, did you che…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 14 2011,09:55)KathiQuote The Isaiah passage seems to be the Father speaking about the Son of man which was not involved in creation…the Son of God was involved in creation.  The Son of God was not yet the Messiah when He was with the Father in the beginning and all things were created by/through Him-the Son.Kathi Christ…[Read more]

Jack,you made a good point here:Quote I marvel that you think the Jews would want to stone Him for saying “I AM Jesus of Nazareth.” His enemies confessed that He was Jesus of Nazareth (Mk. 14:67). But they wanted to stone Him for His “I AM” claim in John 8:58.