Mike you are breaking context with that approach and forcing a bias. You have to account for the 'and' which is connecting the phrases having to do with the Son. There is nothing said to indicate a change in the speaker or person spoken about.Kathi

In this quote from Eusebius, we see that he referred to the Son as the 'Creator Himself.'Quote Such, then, was the Son, sole-begotten of His will, Master of fair crafts and Creator of all things, Whom the Highest God, God and Father of the Creator Himself first before all begat, setting in Him and through Him the creative proportions of things…[Read more]

Eusebius wrote this:Quote But these are all earthly images and touched with mortality, parts of this lower corrupt and earthly constitution, whereas the scope of the theology we are considering far transcends all illustrations, and is not connected with anything physical, but imagines with the acutest thought a Son Begotten, not at one time…[Read more]

Mike,Here are your 'for instance' scriptures:Genesis 2:24, “Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one (echad) flesh.” Here, a man is described as leaving his father and mother, cleaving to his wife, and both of them becoming one (echad) flesh.One other illustration where echad…[Read more]

Mike,I came across some words of yours and think that you should ask them of yourself in regards to what you just did in the post above:Quote Don't you think that when you have to start adding parenthesis and words that explain to us how YOU understand the scripture, something is wrong?From:…[Read more]

Mike,Can you admit that 'echad' can mean unity?Jehovah is echad. Kathi

Mike,Within the quote, the Son is the subject:8But of the Son He says, “ YOUR THRONE, O GOD, IS FOREVER AND EVER, AND THE RIGHTEOUS SCEPTER IS THE SCEPTER OF HIS KINGDOM.9“ YOU HAVE LOVED RIGHTEOUSNESS AND HATED LAWLESSNESS; THEREFORE GOD, YOUR GOD, HAS ANOINTED YOU WITH THE OIL OF GLADNESS ABOVE YOUR COM…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 26 2011,22:34)Gee, is Kathi dead??  Why don't you ask her This was my last post before I left for about 6 weeks in January:https://www.heavennet.net/cgi-bin….7;st=20Sixth post down.See if you guys can figure it out after reading that KathiHi Mike,Did that bring 'light' to your discussion with Edj? Hopefully you can get…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 26 2011,22:34)Gee, is Kathi dead??  Why don't you ask her This was my last post before I left for about 6 weeks in January:https://www.heavennet.net/cgi-bin….7;st=20Sixth post down.See if you guys can figure it out after reading that KathiHi Mike,Did that bring 'light' to your discussion with Edj? Hopefully you can get…[Read more]

Gee, is Kathi dead?? Why don't you ask her This was my last post before I left for about 6 weeks in January:https://www.heavennet.net/cgi-bin….7;st=20Sixth post down.See if you guys can figure it out after reading that Kathi

Gee, is Kathi dead?? Why don't you ask her This was my last post before I left for about 6 weeks in January:https://www.heavennet.net/cgi-bin….7;st=20Sixth post down.See if you guys can figure it out after reading that Kathi

Mike,you wrote:Quote If Jesus is not the One who made all these things, then he must be one of the things that One made.That's false teaching. If Jesus is not the one being addressed, that doesn't mean that He wasn't with the one being addressed and that the one being addressed didn't make all things by Jesus. Of course when He is spoken of as…[Read more]

Mike,you wrote:Quote So what's the answer, Kathi? Because in Is 42, Jehovah is clearly telling His messiah that Jehovah is HIS Name. And He is clearly telling His messiah that HE will share His glory with no other.Duh…I know that Jehovah is the Father's name and that is why I have brought up the verse that has Jesus talking to the Father about…[Read more]

Pierre,Very funny!”…do not let them be heard on your lips.” I don't think you can get around this command when you do all things in Jesus name. John 16:26“In that day you will ask in My name, and I do not say to you that I will request of the Father on your behalf; 27for the Father Himself loves you, because you have loved Me and have b…[Read more]

Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Nov. 16 2011,17:16)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 17 2011,08:20)Frank, you say you've answered my questions.  Perhaps I missed your answers to these last two I asked:Frank, at what point in Jesus' life was he so swelled up with pride that he had to empty himself of it?At what point in your life were you in a different form prior…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Nov. 16 2011,16:36)Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 17 2011,07:24)Also Frank,Can you show me any NT verses that tell us that the Father is the bridegroom or the husband of the redeemed?Thanks,KathiKathi, is that scripture talking about Israel or the Church?I know that Jesus didn't die for Israel but for all and God dealt with Israel by sending…[Read more]

Mike and Irene,If you don't believe that Jesus is God as the Son and the Highest one together with the Father then you are believing in an idol god if He is anything less.If you use Jesus' name, and you do not believe that He is God with the Father, then you violate this command:Exodus 23:13“Now concerning everything which I have said to you, be o…[Read more]

Very funny Mike. I suppose you want us all to write really long posts to verify everything said. Then you would complain about that.

I'm glad to hear a good report from you Irene. Ya'll needed that!God bless,Kathi

Also Frank,Can you show me any NT verses that tell us that the Father is the bridegroom or the husband of the redeemed?Thanks,Kathi