Hi William,Your thread has taking a rabbit trail away from your revelation, sorry. Bd, Mike and I need to find a better place to have our 'Who is Jesus' discussion (and you, William, if interested) so that you can just only discuss your revelation in this thread. I have moved it to the 'debate' thread in the unbeliever's section. Hopefully I will…[Read more]

Hi BD, (Mike let BD respond to this please)you said:Quote This is metaphorical not literal if a person was born God they cannot die because God cannot die.Actually an offspring is already the kind he or she is before being born, so the ONLY BEGOTTEN GOD (John 1:18) was born God because He already was God 'kind' before He was born.God cannot die…[Read more]

Charles,Jesus was begotten spiritually before the ages and had existed before He was begotten within the Father. In Mary He was begotten carnally.

BD (Mike, let BD respond to this please)Quote Being a spirit before hand doesn't mean that spirit was an equivalent of GodBeing an only begotten literal Son of God is what made Him an equivalent of God.This is your quote:Quote If any of you believe that Jesus is the literal son of God then you will have to agree that Jesus is GOD because each kind…[Read more]

Mike,You say that Jesus was not dual natured. Can you please give me your definition of 'dual natured.'Thanks!

Mike,Jesus the only begotten Son of God pre-existed the flesh and was not considered a human being during His pre-existence. Jesus as the High Priest did not pre-exist the flesh but became a High Priest as a resurrected human being.Would you consider the pre-existent spirit being, Jesus, any different than the human being that came in the flesh?…[Read more]

Mike,you said:Quote I don't see any distinction between Jesus the Christ of God, Jesus the Priest of God, Jesus the Servant of God, and Jesus the Son of God.Jesus was always a Son but not always a High Priest.An only begotten Son refers to a relationship to the Father by nature.A High Priesthood is an office which the only begotten Son of God…[Read more]

Hi Charles,you said:Quote Begotten can certainly mean born,(FROM THE DEAD THOUGH, NOT FROM HIS MOTHER'S WOMB) did you not know that?  Not so Charles, begotten certainly can mean born from the womb. Begotten certainly takes place on a specific day but usually that which is begotten was alive beforehand. Did Jesus exist before He was begotten from…[Read more]

Mike,Who would Jesus the High Priest intercede for after He presents His bride to His Father…after all judgment? He could always be the High Priest but this role would probably be unnecessary I would think. Quote So Jesus the Priest of God will subject himself to Jesus the God?Jesus, in His High Priestly role, would subject the reign of the High…[Read more]

Past, Present, and Future walk into the bar…the scene was very tense!

Mike,Satan is god of this word in a sense…not as the creator, not as an inherent position by nature, but by permission from God he has been allowed some reign with restrictions for a designated time. God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ together with their Spirit have always ruled over the kingdom of heaven and always will.Quote Why does…[Read more]

BD,I understand your frustration. I was hoping to continue a conversation with you here, though.Blessings,Kathi

Mike,Rev 11:115Then the seventh angel sounded; and there were loud voices in heaven, saying, “The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord and of His Christ; and He will reign forever and ever.” 16And the twenty-four elders, who sit on their thrones before God, fell on their faces and worshiped God, 17saying, “We give…[Read more]

Mike,I have not studied this to the nth degree but I believe that it is likely the kingdom of the darkness that the Son, according to his High Priest/Mediator role, was given reign over and He destroyed the powers of that kingdom so that the only kingdom that remained was where God (as a unity of Father, Son, and their Spirit) was always…[Read more]

Charles,Col 1:15 mentions that the Son is the Firstborn and firstborns must be begotten in order to be firstborns in the normal sense of the word. Begotten can certainly mean born, did you not know that? The other instances when someone is not technically the first to open the womb but takes the place of the actual one that was the first, in those…[Read more]

Charles,I don't believe that your theory is supported by scripture but by imagination. See here:Col 1 15He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. 16For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things have been c…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 15 2012,20:44)Hmmm…………..For me the card just stayed there forever.     Buy it sounds like it is funny, and I'll take your word for it that it is.  Loser…ha, just kidding

Hi Charles,I agree that the Son was most likely brought forth when God said, “Let there be light.” I do not agree that satan fell before that happened though. I don't believe that anything was formed before then including angels. Darkness is merely the absence of light. Thanks for your response though.Blessings,Kathi