BD,If you see that LORD=Jehovah/YHVH and if you see that YHVH=the God of gods and the Lord of lordsand if you see that for us there is one God (Father) and one Lord (Son)and if you see that the Father and Son are one…it all comes together.Hear O Israel: The God of gods and Lord of lords (YHVH), our God (a plural word, btw) is one God of gods and…[Read more]

Hi BD,you ask:Quote When God says there is NO OTHER but ME how do you read that, do you see ME as plural even though God explicitly states there is NONE other?Good question. I see “ME” in this context as a unity and unities often have singular pronouns to refer to them. For example, the church is written of as a “SHE” and I see that as a unity…[Read more]

That is a nice national anthem, t8. For the record, this is the last stanza in our national anthem for America, although we rarely hear the whole song and we probably don't realize that it is there:Oh, thus be it ever, when freemen shall standBetween their loved home and the war's desolation!Blest with victory and peace, may the heav'n-rescued…[Read more]

Ok, Mike,Then you were made aware that a 1st century document indicates that Jesus was the creator and not the created. Even back then, that was taught, and by the apostle Peter who you agree has a position of authority in the body of Christ. Therefore, it wasn't something that the people of the third century came up with obviously since it was…[Read more]

BD,Why, when I speak about “two persons being united as one supreme authority called God” you respond as if I said one person relating to himself as God alone? I don't think you are understanding my position. Maybe I am not writing clearly. Each person in the unity as one supreme authority, often called “God” in some contexts can also be called…[Read more]

Mike,Do you recall me showing you this historical syriac writing?Quote From the ancient Syriac documents:The Teaching of Simon Cephas in the City of Rome (who we know as 'Peter' the disciple):In the third(4) year of Claudius Caesar, Simon Cephas departed from Antioch to go to Rome. And as he passed on he preached in the divers countries the word…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ June 24 2012,14:15)Mike,Have I shown you historical writings where apostles in the first century claim that Jesus was the creator?Mike,So is that a yes? I have shown you historical writings where apostles in the first century claim that Jesus was the creator?

Mike,Have I shown you historical writings where apostles in the first century claim that Jesus was the creator?

BD,Quote Hebrews 5:8Although Jesus was the Son of God, he learned to be obedient through his sufferings.Now, I will ask you does God Almighty need to learn to be obedient?If God Almighty willingly took on the nature which caused Him to feel hunger, exhaustion, uncomfortably hot or cold, then I believe that He would only be able to say that He…[Read more]

Hi Mike,you said:Quote I don't disagree with your analogy (except for them both creating us – for we have a Creator, not Creators). Would you agree that MANY scholars, and early church fathers, including Eusebius, believe that Jesus was the creator of all things in heaven and on earth based on what the Bible says?

Mike,If anyone was disgruntled on the plane, they must have somehow missed the fact that the head pilot sent the co-pilot out to the passengar cabin to put his life on the line in between the psycho hijacker and the passengers and masterfully overcame him in order to save them from the plane crashing into the trade center. I believe that if she…[Read more]

Quote (bodhitharta @ June 22 2012,15:40)Quote (Lightenup @ June 20 2012,11:24)Mike,I have never disagreed that the Father has authority over the Son. You have authority over your son, do you not? Does that make you unequal? You are both equally human even though there is a difference in position. The Father and Son are both equally god natured…[Read more]

It seems she is feeling a little better. I will keep praying for her.

Mike,Both, Jesus and the God of the OT are called:The First and the LastSaviorGod and LordLord of lordsBy both names, men are victorious in.Both are credited with creation.Both are credited with salvation.Both are over the church.Both are the temple in heaven.Both pour out their wrath on the day of the Lord.Both sit on the highest throne.Both have…[Read more]

Mike,Look what you said:Quote Your question, even if I was able to understand the wording, is off point. What exactly do you want to say here…my question is off point IF you were able to understand it? So does that mean you understand it or not? You can't really say that it is 'off point' if you can't understand it now, can you, because how…[Read more]

Mike,Do you see in the above post that the honor of being the 'First and the Last” is Jesus' honor? Do you also see that in the OT the one who is the First and the Last is the only God? I don't think that you can deny that, Mike. Jesus also has the honor of being the temple with the Father in Revelations. Jesus also has the honor of sitting on the…[Read more]

Mike,Quote (Oh, and seeing how the Lamb is someone OTHER THAN “God Almighty”, he is subsequently someone OTHER THAN the “one who created all things”.)I have always said that there are two persons involved. In THIS context of Rev 5, one is called God Almighty. This book of the Bible is not a revelation of the Father but of the other one who is the…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 19 2012,20:59)I'll wait for your response to my two points, Kathi.  We're getting off track with stuff we've already discussed MANY times before – stuff that you just claim, with no scriptural backing.For example, which scripture says the Son receives the “same honor” as his own God?  (And don't say John 5:23, for that m…[Read more]

Mike,Quote 1. But there is no denying that the passage I quoted lists the Father alone as “God Almighty”, and “our Lord and God” – because the Son is listed as someone completely different from the One who sits on the throne.There are two persons involved. This context is speaking to one as God Almighty and the other as the Lamb. The context is…[Read more]

Mike,Quote Many are “given praise, honor, glory and power”. God has the most of all of these things, His firstborn Son has the second highest amount, and so on down the line.The Son receives the SAME honor as the Father. The Son IS the power of God.