Mike:

You said this to PC: LU:  I think John 1:1 teaches a Binary Godhead.

Where did I say that?

Proclaimer,

If one can merely partake of divine nature in a future sense and not in an original sense, they obviously would not be gods. Nothing can “become” God in nature since the concept of the divine God would be eternal in nature. No one that has not been eternally divine in nature would qualify to be god/gods.

There are two persons who…[Read more]

Berean,

You said “In the beginning Jesus was God, and in due time HE WAS MADE FLESH, while retaining his divinity which he did not rely on in a self-centered way.
He lived by faith in his Father, as we should.”

Agreed!

Proclaimer,

You admit that John 1:18 refers to Jesus as the only begotten theos in the NASB 1995 version. Is it even possible to you that you can understand John 1:1 like this:

In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God (the Father) and the Word was God (the only begotten God).

After all, John 1:18 is merely 17 verses later. Don’t…[Read more]

Hi Mike,

You agreed that Jesus is called the only begotten God/god in the NASB 1995 version. You use the example of Isaac being called the only begotten son of Abraham to show that one son can be called the only begotten son even though there are other sons that were fathered by Abraham. Let me ask you this: How many sons of the promise were…[Read more]

With a brief skim through your post, I don’t think you can prove that the Son emptied himself of his original nature. I would challenge that. I would say that while being in the form of God, he emptied himself in some undisclosed manner in order to come in the form of man. I don’t believe for one minute that one can empty themselves of their…[Read more]

I believe that post about John 1c is about two different persons who are both referred to as theos.

I usually use Chrome as my browser. I have HN on my toolbar. I don’t need to search for it. Does that mean anything to you?

Proclaimer, you used this link https://www.ntgreek.org/answers/answer-frame-john1_1.htm to defend your understanding of John 1:1c but that link does not defend your position at all. This is what the writer of that’s summation is proclaiming:

“…the word ‘God’ is used first in the sentence actually shows some emphasis that this Logos (Word) was…[Read more]

When reading scripture, we need to be more sophisticated and to look carefully at the detail. This matters.

Spoken about the Son, the only begotten God:

“In the beginning, O Lord, You laid the foundations of the earth,

and the heavens are the work of Your hands.

11They will perish, but You remain;

they will all wear out like a g…[Read more]

Berean, good post!

Proclaimer said: “The sun was already created as it is part of the universe. What happens on Day 4, is that they appear in the vault.”

How about this, the “light” was the glory of God on day one as it entered the dimension of creation. The sun did not appear until day four when it was created.

Rev 21:23 And the city has no need of the sun or of…[Read more]

Proclaimer,

I would say the divine order is more like this:

God the Father  → His only begotten Son who is the only begotten God  → Creation

Mike,

You said: “I agree that Jesus is “the only of his kind”, but I wouldn’t try to build any doctrines around the translation “only-begotten” – as if it means Jesus literally spawned from the very loins of the Father.”

In other words, you don’t believe that Jesus is the only Son of God in the highest sense of the word, as if he is a Son in th…[Read more]

Proclaimer,

You said “John 1:18 calls Jesus the begotten God. Therefore he must be God Almighty right?”

John 1:18 NASB 1995 doesn’t merely call Jesus the begotten God but the ONLY begotten God.  Therefore being the only begotten God would make him the only Son (in the highest sense) of the God who begat him. As the Son of God, he does the will…[Read more]

@Proclaimer @Gene @mikeboll64 and anyone else that cares to answer.

The question was:

Do you believe that John 1:18 in the NASB 1995  refers to Jesus as the only begotten God?

Everyone here that responded agree that John 1:18 in the NASB 1995 refers to Jesus as the only begotten God.

That’s great. We agree on something.

If the NASB 1995 is…[Read more]

@Proclaimer

Do you believe that John 1:18 in the NASB 1995  refers to Jesus as the only begotten God?

NASB 1995
No one has seen God at any time; the only begotten God who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained Him.

If not, who do you believe John is referring to as “the only begotten God?”

PC

I wouldn’t say you are disagreeing with me by reading your response, I would say that you are not understanding me.

Do you believe that John 1:18 in the NASB 1995  refers to Jesus as the only begotten God?

NASB 1995
No one has seen God at any time; the only begotten God who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained Him.

If not, who…[Read more]

Oh ok Proclaimer, what exactly do you disagree with in what I said?

Mike,

You said: but where did the water come from?

Perhaps this river of the water of life supplied the water that covered the earth.

Rev 22:1 Then he showed me a river of the water of life, clear as crystal, coming from the throne of God and of the Lamb,…

Regarding COVID, I haven’t partaken of the jab, nor have I had the dreaded virus but…[Read more]