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    Lightenup replied to the topic Delusions in the forum Truth or Tradition 14 years ago

    Mike,Again, the HRV says there is only one YHWH Yeshua the Messiah. In other parts of the HRV, the Father is called YHWH. So you have to read it as there is one YWYH Yeshua, the Messiah, because there is only one YHWH Yeshua, the Messiah. There is one YHWH, the Father with the one YHWH Yeshua. The one YHWH, the Father in this verse in 1 Cor 8:6 is…[Read more]

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    David,There are about 65 pages in the intro to the Hebrew Roots Version that has a lot of good information in it. I'm not sure if you found it or were just seeking what I posted about YHWH.If you are having trouble finding it, I can't find a direct link. The only way I know to find it is to go here: http://www.angelfire.com/hi2….es.htmlThen…[Read more]

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    No Mike, I suggest He spoke in Aramaic.

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    Hi Gene,Greek interlinears are good but there is plenty of evidence that the original NT was written in Aramaic/Hebrew. So an Aramaic interlinear would be better then. The way to find it is to go to here: http://bible.cc/matthew/1-1.htm and then put in your Bible verse that you want to read in the search box, then scroll down to the…[Read more]

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    Pierre,Jewish historian Flavius Josephus (37 CE – circa 100 CE) .For centuries Josephus' works were more widely read in Europe than any book other than the Bible. They are an invaluable eye-witness to a momentous turning point in Judaism, Christianity, and Western civilization.He wrote in Aramaic and another translated it into Greek from what it…[Read more]

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    BD,The Father, it seems.

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    BD,The Father's name is YHWH/Jehovah.The Son's name is YHWH/Jehovah.The general name for the unity of the Father with the Son is YHWH/Jehovah.The Son became flesh and His name became LORD JEHOVAH Yeshua The Messiah, Yeshua for short. God's name was in Him.1 Cor 8:6Aramaic Bible in Plain English (©2010)To us, ours is one God The Father, for all…[Read more]

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    Lightenup replied to the topic Proclaimer vs Lightenup in the forum Debates 14 years ago

    t8,you saidQuote You are applying your own understanding here.Yes, that is what you are after here, isn't it? Quote A coin has 2 main sides yes.Very good!Quote But a dice has 6. I could equally make the argument that there is the Trinity, plus, redeemed man, cherubs, and seraphs that all have or can participate in divine nature. Now I have…[Read more]

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    BD,Even today we have sons that have the exact name of their father, even the middle name is the same, and they put Jr. or II after their name to show a distinction. In the OT and NT Jehovah is used for the Father or the Son or both in the general sense. Just like context would tell you the difference if someone today wrote an article about a…[Read more]

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    Mike,you asked:Quote Kathi, I want you to think very hard about this: If the NT was written IN Aramaic, why would that translation even be in there? If, in the “original” Aramaic, Jesus said Little girl, arise, then why would a Greek TRANSLATOR put those words in Aramaic first – ONLY TO RE-TRANSLATE THEM INTO GREEK?The Greek translator put those…[Read more]

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    Hi Mike,Those are all good questions. This resource is very interesting. It is in a PDF form and I can't copy and paste from it. You can find it by going to this google search link and clicking on the fourth option “Was the New Testament Really Written in Greek.” https://www.google.com/search?….bih=821Within chapter 6 regarding the historical…[Read more]

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    Lightenup replied to the topic Delusions in the forum Truth or Tradition 14 years ago

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 26 2012,21:19)Quote (Lightenup @ July 25 2012,23:31)1 Cor 8:6To us, ours is one God The Father, for all things are from him and we are in him, and The One LORD JEHOVAH Yeshua The Messiah, for all things are by him, and we are also in his hand.Kathi,Why does this translation you posted for Pierre not match the translation I…[Read more]

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    Quote (Lightenup @ July 20 2012,01:05)Quote (bodhitharta @ July 17 2012,11:13)Dear sweet Kathi:) I have come to the conclusion that there is no way to out argue or convince you that you are wrong and the reason is simple you are arguing from inference and that is why there are so many Christian denominations that have such a wide range of beliefs.…[Read more]

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    Lightenup replied to the topic Delusions in the forum Truth or Tradition 14 years ago

    Pierre,So now you and the devil are having discussions about me and he is telling you that I am 'going to' him?? Wow, no wonder you are so confused. My advice is to stay away from the devil…he will not tell you the truth. :;):

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    Lightenup replied to the topic Delusions in the forum Truth or Tradition 14 years ago

    Pierre,If I quote Bible verses and you don't accept them, it is not me telling you that you must believe me-I didn't write the scriptures…you are so confused but I have come to expect it from you.Here are some Bible verses you should memorize:1 Cor 12:3Because I inform you of this: there is no man who speaks by The Spirit of God and says,…[Read more]

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    To all:Here is what page 54 and 55 from the intro of the Hebraic Roots Version says about the placement of the name YHWH and how it is objective and not subjective:The Sacred NameIn the past, sacred name versions of the New Testament have depended largelyon guesswork to determine where “Lord” means YHWH and where “Lord” meansADON/ADONAI. This is…[Read more]

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    Here is some information of the Hebrew Roots Bible and Hebrew Roots Version:Go to this website and scroll down to the “Hebrew Roots Bible” and click on the link to read it online. Also, the Hebrew Roots Version below it has a very informative intro as to how it was translated. Go to page 54 of the intro and you can read about how they knew where…[Read more]

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    Lightenup replied to the topic Delusions in the forum Truth or Tradition 14 years ago

    Sorry Pierre, but your 'telling me that it is not true' doesn't make it not true. You need a better defense than that. :;):

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    Lightenup replied to the topic Delusions in the forum Truth or Tradition 14 years ago

    Pierre,I say that YHWH is the name of a unity of more than one person. I do not say that YHWH is the name of a being of more than one person.YHWH is also the name of each person within the unity. Context helps to determine if the passage speaks of the unity or the Father or the Son.

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    See what I mean, you are not a serious student, Pierre. Anyone that really wants to know will persevere and go find the info. I made it easy for you but I expect you to put some effort into it to show if you are a serious student or here to waste others time and be lazy, not taking things seriously. I don't expect people to spoon feed me, why do you?

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