Correction, I don't argue that He is called at times an Angel of YHWH. I have proven that He is not an angel being though.

I agree, God gave humans their spirit. There is no mention of our spirits being eternal.Jesus has a spirit, yes.

Glad to see you Paul…yes I am doing very well. Please stick around!!!

Quote the LORD thy God is twoThe LORD is two powers, the Father and the Son.How many who were ever called 'the theos' in the entire Bible were involved in creation, t8?

t8,The truth never bullies me, you do. If you don't want me to tell you what I believe stop asking me what I believe. You are the one asking the questions. I am just answering you. If you feel bullied because I simply answer you, then stop asking. Simple.

I haven't read that our spirits eternally existed otherwise we would also be God.

Quote (t8 @ Nov. 08 2012,22:28)Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 09 2012,17:23)Jesus came OUT from God. He had to be within before He could come out.Where do you think your spirit came from?Mars?There was a time when men did not exist, not so with the Son of God.

Stop acting like a bully, t8. This is not second grade.

t8, A unity is usually more than one, duh.If you do not have theos the Son, you do not have theos the Father, t8. I have declared what I believe openly in my signature. In the context of the shema, I believe in the YHWH Echad, the eternal unity. I believe in God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ together with their Spirit. All are worshiped by…[Read more]

Quote Jesus came from God.Jesus came OUT from God. He had to be within before He could come out. Quote The interesting thing about it, is we too can be born of God and be called the sons of God. And the other interesting fact is that both us and Jesus have come in flesh too.We can be born again of God and be the adopted sons of God. We can't be…[Read more]

t8, if you truly believed that He was the only begotten theos, you would not think He was one of many begotten theos. You believe in many begotten theos and Jesus is one of the many.I believe in only one begotten theos.

If you truly believed that He was begotten and not created then He wouldn't be theos like everybody else except the Father. He would be theos like the Father.

Jesus is the Almighty God as the Son, not as the Father. I have been saying that all along, and yes I believe they are one. The Jews understood a Godhead even in the first century. They just didn't realize that Jesus was the second power of YHWH. The understanding of a Godhead did not challenge monotheism.I worship one Almighty YHWH Echad, an…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Nov. 08 2012,19:54)Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 08 2012,02:16)t8,Can kurios be a placeholder for YHWH in the Greek?Yes, and so can others be called that.Context is the key as I have always maintained.Usually it tells you what kurios  is being referenced.Ok, thank you for that. I believe that the Aramaic Bible has a certain word as a…[Read more]

The YHWH Echad is Father and Son and they were that forever. The Father didn't say He made Him Son and Lord. He always was a Father and His Son always was a Son.

Like I said, Jesus did not believe in a God that created Him like you two. His God was His Father.

Good, thanks for your simple answer

How about Jeremiah 1. Please notice that the Word of the LORD came and was referred to as YHWH: 1The words of Jeremiah the son of Hilkiah, of the priests who were in Anathoth in the land of Benjamin, 2to whom the word of the LORD came in the days of Josiah the son of Amon, king of Judah, in the thirteenth year of his reign. 3It came also in…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 28 2011,22:39)Heb 1:8But of the Son He says,         “YOUR THRONE, O GOD, IS FOREVER AND EVER,         AND THE RIGHTEOUS SCEPTER IS THE SCEPTER OF HIS KINGDOM.9“YOU HAVE LOVED RIGHTEOUSNESS AND HATED LAWLESSNESS;         THEREFORE GOD, YOUR GOD, HAS ANOINTED YOU         WITH THE OIL OF GLADNESS ABOVE YOUR COMPANIONS.”10…[Read more]

Here is a passage that suggests divine plurality:Isaiah 41:21“Present your case,” the LORD says . “Bring forward your strong arguments,” The King of Jacob says.22Let them bring forth and declare to us what is going to take place; As for the former events, declare what they were, That we may consider them and kno…[Read more]