Mike,you asked:Quote Kathi,1. Is it possible that the Father, BY HIMSELF, is the God of gods and Lord of lords? 2. Is it possible that Jesus is someone OTHER THAN God Almighty, who is ALSO called by the title “Lord of lords”? 3. Does the fact that the Father and the Son share a title automatically combine them together in some compound unity…[Read more]

Mike,Quote Quote Jesus directly makes that claim that He and the Father are one.He also makes request of his God and our God that some of us also be one with them.  So what's your point?Where doe it say that some of us will also be one 'with' them?

Mike,Quote Can YOU show ANY scripture (OT or NT) that says they've ALWAYS been “one”?They are both the 'First and the Last.' The First and the Last is another way for saying the name YHWH and YHWH is echad.Quote Kathi, you and I agree that “The Father” is the God of Jesus. Now, if we and Jesus have the same God, as your Lord said we do, who is…[Read more]

Mike,Quote Yet you do it with our ONE God.The word 'God/god' has different meanings. In the Shema, it doesn't say that YHWH is one God. Is says that YHWH our God is YHWH Echad. You have to look at context to determine of God is said in a general sense as a type of being with a certain nature or a specific sense or a position, or a name.

Mike,Quote So what scripture makes you think Jehovah isn't “one singular person”? The Shema. We both agree that it would seem odd for one person to declare that he is one. We also both can see that if Israel, as a nation, would say that it were one, that would make sense.

Our salvation is based on the work of one who is both theos and man, not on our works.

Here Mike,This helps explain that MRYA is not an emphatic form of Mara. He says that the 'y' or 'yodh' would not be inserted in a noun to make it emphatic.Quote See Matthew 11:25 and Luke 10:21: “Mara de Shmayya” (The Lord of Heaven”). The Emphatic Mara is indicated due to its position prior to the Daleth Proclitic. If it were Absolute it would be…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 13 2012,19:36)Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 12 2012,21:43)MRYA is an acronym and used as a placeholder for YHWH in the Aramaic manuscript from what I have been told.See here:http://www.scribd.com/doc….eshittOFrom the site you linked:Meem: Marutha (“Adonship”)Resh: Rabbutha (“Mightyness/Grandeur, Splendour, Splendor, G…[Read more]

Mike,Quote Kathi, the God of Jesus is the God of us. If Jesus' God is not a compound unity echad thingy, then neither is our God.I told you that the God of Jesus was His Father, not His creator so the God of Jesus is not your God because you believe that the God of Jesus is His creator, not His literal Father.

Mike,Quote You'll agree the correct answer is “A”, right? So why would you not assume the TYPICAL conclusion when it comes to our God YHWH, who is not only said to be “ONE”, but is also described OVER 7000 TIMES in scripture with SINGULAR pronouns?Yes, A would be the answer to a question that would seem ridiculous and never actually wondered…[Read more]

Mike,Quote Obama, your President, is ONE.Don't you see that this would be ridiculous to say about one singular person? Hey everyone Obama is one person…spread the word. Now if I said this:Israel is one.Does that make you think of Jacob being one person or the nation called 'Israel' is unified or united in some manner?

Mike,Quote So then you ARE making that one little word “echad” into a far-fetched doctrine because you WANT Jesus to be God Almighty along with his Father.I want truth to prevail. The doctrine of the Father and Son being members of a compound unity is not far-fetched at all. Jesus directly makes that claim that He and the Father are one. It seems…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Nov. 14 2012,05:44)Quote (t8 @ Nov. 13 2012,22:49)Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 13 2012,13:55)The problem with this Mike, is YHWH is not just God but God and Lord. You just want YHWH to be God but not Lord apparently.LU, you appear confused.God made Jesus Lord.So God is greater than Lord.Yes technically speaking God is the Lord of Jesus, but…[Read more]

Quote (david @ Nov. 12 2012,16:00)CARMELT8PIERREMIKEKATHYPLEASE VISIT ONE OF THE OTHER 4000 reads if you want to argue over WHETHER a belief is true. THIS THREAD, is only about the SIMILARITIES AND DIFFERENCES between what T8, mike and Pierre believe.THIS IS THE SECOND THREAD I HAVE STARTED ON THIS SUBJECT.  I can do this 100 times.  I'm fine w…[Read more]

Bo,I haven't thought much about Romans 3:25 but this is my unscholarly opinion. Adam was punished since he was cast out of the garden, had to work harder, died, to name a few of the punishments…also did not have the same kind of relationship with God as before. So, the verse may be talking about eternal punishment. Before Jesus died, all man…[Read more]

t8,Quote Yes technically speaking God is the Lord of Jesus, but God made Jesus Lord over all, except God of course.Jesus is the one Lord according to Paul in the context of the Father as the one God. Does Jesus ever call the Father, the only Lord?

Quote (t8 @ Nov. 13 2012,03:33)Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 13 2012,13:47)Now tell me how many we need to believe IN, not just believe for eternal life.So you think that you have to believe in Jesus to gain eternal life or just believe Jesus?We need to believe in God. And to believe in God is to believe in the one who he has sent.If we have not God,…[Read more]

Quote Thanks, but I know what I'm doing. Well then you knowingly are very ineffective since you act like you don't know…and several times on just this thread you have acted like you don't know. You two are going back and forth saying the same thing over and over. Try what I suggested and get on with it.You don't know how two Gods can be one God…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 12 2012,21:14)Then find me an AUTHENTIC Aramaic dictionary that says “marya” means “The Lord Jehovah”.You've seen the four I've been able to find online, right?  Do ANY of those four say what you claim?  YES or NO?You don't look in a dictionary for the meaning of an acronym, you look in the dictionary for the meaning of a…[Read more]

Quote So what makes you think the same exact scenario in the case of God and HIS Son would result in some compound being?I have never said compound 'being'…I have said compound unity or simply 'unity' which is meant to mean the same thing as compound unity but I have never said 'compound being.'Quote Or do you think maybe you're just reading a…[Read more]