Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 05 2012,20:03)Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 02 2012,12:47)Where does Pharaoh call Moses 'a god?'  It was JEHOVAH who said he would make Moses a god to Pharaoh.  I was pointing out that, FROM PHARAOH'S VANTAGE POINT AND RELIGIOUS BELIEFS, seeing the signs and wonders “Moses” did, he most likely DID consider Moses to be a god.  …[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 05 2012,19:44)Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 02 2012,12:38)I understand that demons are false gods.Where in scripture are they called “false” gods?What does it matter if the words are used specifically? If you believe they are true Gods then you have a dilemma on your hands don't you?

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 05 2012,19:42)Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 02 2012,12:38)Mike,Do you have something that clearly says demons are fallen angels? Do you have something that clearly says Beelzebub is satan?How about this passage?Mark 3 22 And the teachers of the law who came down from Jerusalem said, “He is possessed by Beelzebub! By the prince o…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Nov. 27 2012,05:53)Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 27 2012,16:45)Quote (t8 @ Nov. 26 2012,19:56)What 3 scriptures. Please post them in one post.I haven't got time for hunting right now.t8,The three scriptures that I have already shown you are:Heb 1:8But of the Son he says, “Your throne, O God, is forever and ever, the scepter of uprightness i…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 28 2012,17:04)Quote (t8 @ Nov. 17 2012,05:58)Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 17 2012,10:26)t8-Where does scripture say that the judges were theos?Where have men been called theos?Where are angels called theos?FatherEphesians 1:3 Praise be to the God (theos) and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in the heavenly…[Read more]

Another good post William! Thank you!!

Mike,Quote BINGO! Now, you must admit that you have NOTHING except for your own, personal desires that cause you to think Deuteronomy 10:17 speaks of TWO. You must admit, that since the Father alone IS a Lord over other lords, 10:17 could very well be speaking of ONLY the Father – calling ONLY HIM “the God of gods and the Lord of lords”.I have…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 01 2012,15:38)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 30 2012,22:02)Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 28 2012,15:43)Is the church not one in the Father and the Son?The words are “one WITH”, not “one IN”.  Try it with the right words.Mike,Where specifically does it say that the church is one 'with' the Father and the Son but can't mean one 'in' the…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 01 2012,17:03)Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 01 2012,14:37)Do you deny that the God of gods and the Lord of lords that the God of gods sent are one? Yes or No?Yes.  Now what?  Mike,Are you asking me or your conscious?

Mike,you said:Quote I believe Jehovah made Moses a god from Pharaoh's viewpoint, complete with his own prophet Aaron. The signs and wonders Moses and Aaron performed were nothing less then acts of a god – from the understanding of Pharaoh and his pagan priests and magicians.Where does Pharaoh call Moses 'a god?'Quote Now WE all know it was…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 01 2012,16:52)Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 01 2012,13:55)I don't believe they, the created angel beings, are called elohim or theos.I haven't yet watched the video you linked about the divine council.  But if you are going to believe in a separate species of being in heaven, who are not angels – will you say that they are…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 01 2012,16:49)Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 01 2012,13:55)What I do not see are angels called theos in the NT. If they are gods somewhere in the OT why aren't they 'gods' in the NT? I don't believe they, the created angel beings, are called elohim or theos.Deuteronomy 32:17 NIV © They sacrificed to demons, which are not…[Read more]

I agree, good posts Wm!I would like to add a few crackpot doctrines…#1 Jesus did not create anything.#2 Jesus was not worshiped by His disciples.#3 The God of gods and the Lord of lords that the God of gods sent are not one.The truth:#1-John 1:3 All things were made through him (the Word), and without him (the Word) was not any thing made that…[Read more]

Merry Christmas Kejonn!You don't believe in God but God believes in you.

Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 01 2012,12:28)Mikeyou saved me a lot of trouble by taking on Kathi, i knew it would end up this way ,but not wasted as I can see going trough all the discussions you made ,for that I am thankfull to you ,it was more than educational,it was refreshing,Don't flatter yourself Terricca. I had some good advice recently and have…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 30 2012,21:58)Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 28 2012,15:40)Well the Christian's God is the Father with the Son together with the Holy Spirit but Jesus' God is the Father whom He is God with together with the Holy Spirit.So then the disciples of Jesus were not “Christians”?  Because it is they to whom he referred when he said “I…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 30 2012,22:34)Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 28 2012,15:45)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 26 2012,20:46)Kathi, is the Father a Lord of other lords?  YES or NO?Could you provide a specific Biblical context for your question and then I will answer that?How about Rev 15:3-4?In that passage, the Lamb calls Jehovah “Lord” twice.  Is the L…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 30 2012,22:02)Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 28 2012,15:43)Is the church not one in the Father and the Son?The words are “one WITH”, not “one IN”.  Try it with the right words.Mike,Where specifically does it say that the church is one 'with' the Father and the Son but can't mean one 'in' the Father and the Son?

Mike,You can't admit this:Mike,Now, do you admit that the God of gods and the Lord of lords that the God of gods sent, are one?You have admitted that the God of gods sent the Lord of lords. You also admit that Jesus said 'the Father and I are one.' Why can't you admit that the God of gods and the Lord of lords that the God of gods sent, are one?…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 30 2012,21:49)Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 28 2012,15:19)YHWH made Moses AS God to Aaron, YHWH did not make Moses a god to Aaron. Moses was metaphorically like God, not literally.You can ADD the word “as” into the Hebrew of Exodus 4:16 if it helps you to win your argument………… but that word isn't there.  This is just…[Read more]