@Proclaimer

You wrote:

“In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.”

It was all there before Day 1.

I read the beginning of Genesis as a title or overview of what is to come in the verses that come after the first part of chapter one. For instance, we are told that the expanse called heaven was not made till day two, so the…[Read more]

@DesireTruth

Regarding Jesus’ qualifications for the eternal throne:

Jewish Messianic Criteria
Must be a descendant of David through Solomon (based on 2 Samuel 7 and 1 Chronicles 22).
Must be biologically descended from David, not just legally adopted.

Christian Resolution
Matthew’s genealogy affirms Jesus’ legal right to David’s throne throu…

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@DesireTruth

Messianic Jews can be ethnically Jewish. Jews who have accepted the complex unity of the Godhead which includes Jesus.

Regarding Genesis 1:26 Read this about who God is talking to:

Messianic Jews typically interpret Genesis 1:26 (“Let us make man in our image”) as a reference to the plurality within God’s nature—often understood a…

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@DesireTruth

You never know when your own critical thought is going to bite you in the backside, do ya?

You said:

“When are people going to verify what they have been told is truth and stop smashing the “I Believe Button”?”

It seems that what appears to be in present tense, or past tense, can have special nuances. See here:

Isaiah 9:6 is a fas…[Read more]

@DesireTruth

Messianic Jews generally recognize YHWH (the Tetragrammaton) as the name of the God of Israel, whom they worship as the one true God. They affirm His unity while also embracing the divinity of Yeshua (Jesus) and the Holy Spirit within a framework that parallels the Christian understanding of the Godhead.

Here’s how this plays out i…

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@DesireTruth

Messianic Jews generally recognize YHWH (the Tetragrammaton) as the name of the God of Israel, whom they worship as the one true God. They affirm His unity while also embracing the divinity of Yeshua (Jesus) and the Holy Spirit within a framework that parallels the Christian understanding of the Godhead.

Here’s how this plays out i…[Read more]

@Berean

Justin Martyr said:

 And I replied, “Not two Gods, but one God in two persons.

I would have said “Not two separate Gods, but two divine eternal persons in unity. In some contexts, they are separately represented by the name “YHWH” and in other contexts they are together represented by the name “YHWH.”

My concern is bigger than who is ca…[Read more]

@DesireTruth

Maybe this can help, the translation of the Hebrew into Aramaic before Jesus incarnation shows the substituting of the name YHWH or the pronoun for YHWH, or the word “God”, with “Memra”.

Key Substitutions of Memra for YHWH in Targum Onkelos
Genesis 28:21

Hebrew: “YHWH shall be my God.”
Targum Onkelos: “The Memra of YHWH shall…

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@DesireTruth

Targum is what I meant. Read this to see that the Targum’s use of “memra” was the Son of God according to Justin Martyr.

Justin Martyr, Dialogue with Trypho, Chapter 61
(Roberts-Donaldson Translation – Full Text with Memra Highlighted)

Below is the complete text of Chapter 61 from Justin Martyr’s Dialogue with Trypho (c. 150–160 C…

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Reposted because it has seemed to have been overlooked.

@Proclaimer

You Wrote:

Yes, the proper name of God and Lord in Deut 10:17 is YHWH.
You wrote:

Therefore let all Israel be assured of this: God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Christ.
Let’s see several other things in Hebrews 1 alone that God identified Jesus a…[Read more]

@DesireTruth

At least you can’t say that the belief of two powers in Heaven held by enough people as a legitimate interpretive framework drawn from biblical texts as early as 560 BCE is a modern interpretation.

Have you heard of the Targums?

LU

@DesireTruth

Regarding the “two powers in Heaven” it is easier for me to just copy and paste the information from GROK. It saves me quite a lot of time trying to explain. Here it is word for word:

Overview of “Two Powers in Heaven” in Early Judaism
The concept of “Two Powers in Heaven” (often rendered from the rabbinic Hebrew shnei rashuyot…[Read more]

@DesireTruth

I’m happy to tell you about the Two Powers of God, actually referred to as the “Two Powers of Heaven”.

The concept of “two powers in heaven” (often described as binitarianism in modern scholarship) refers to an early Jewish theological framework that posited two divine figures or manifestations sharing authority in the heavenly…[Read more]

@DesireTruth

We can take a slight pause on the Deut 10 :17 after you give me an analogy that is not comparing apples to oranges and shows that you are grasping the pattern. Make it follow this form: the name of a unity of persons = the title or category of each member in the unity.

Israel is the name of a unity, the House of Jacob. Israel=Jacob…[Read more]

@DesireTruth

You wrote:

You’re reaching and your analogy doesn’t work; you’re using an example of two physical separate identities and trying to make them one.
I am showing you that the name of the unity called Israel is made up of a man that God named Israel (Jacob) + Jacob’s sons. The unity called Israel is echad…one in a united sense of be…[Read more]

@DesireTruth

All good questions!

You wrote:

If I were to say my shirt is black and white, does that mean I have two shirts? Absolutely not!!!! It means my shirt has two colors, black and white. This grammatical concept is the same being used in the Deut 10:17 passage. This passage simply states YHWH is G-d above all other gods and Lord above all…

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@DesireTruth

You ask:

 where does it say the meaning of the Tetragrammaton is the “fullness of G-d” and that it represents each of G-d’s “presences”?

Deuteronomy 10:17

“For the LORD your God is the God of gods and the Lord of lords, the great, the mighty, and the awesome God, who does not show partiality, nor take a bribe.

I understand t…[Read more]

@Proclaimer @Berean @DesireTruth

When you understand that YHWH is a name for the fullness of God as well as the name of each presence of God, i.e. Father, Son and Holy Spirit, many things in the Bible become easier to understand. Give it a try, ask the Holy Spirit to illuminate this and open your heart and mind.

Be blessed, LU

@DesireTruth

Unity…let’s start here:

You wrote:

 what does Deut 6:4 say: “…The Lord our G-d is one Lord.” Did you catch “G-d” and “Lord” in the same sentence and HE is one?

That is not really what Deut 6:4 says. I know it has been translated that way but it is not correct, popular but not correct. I am going to insert a picture of Deut 6:4 of…[Read more]

@Berean

Great collection of verses on the Angel of the LORD.

The “angel” of the LORD is also the YHWH who is written about here:

The heir of all things, and through whom He made the universe. Heb 1:2
The radiance of God’s glory and the exact representation of His nature, upholding all things by His powerful word. Heb 1:3
One to be worshipped b…

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