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Lightenup replied to the topic One God and One Lord in the forum Bible Texts & Translations 4 months ago
Targum is what I meant. Read this to see that the Targum’s use of “memra” was the Son of God according to Justin Martyr.
Justin Martyr, Dialogue with Trypho, Chapter 61
(Roberts-Donaldson Translation – Full Text with Memra Highlighted)Below is the complete text of Chapter 61 from Justin Martyr’s Dialogue with Trypho (c. 150–160 C…
Lightenup replied to the topic One God and One Lord in the forum Bible Texts & Translations 4 months ago
Reposted because it has seemed to have been overlooked.
You Wrote:
Yes, the proper name of God and Lord in Deut 10:17 is YHWH.
You wrote:Therefore let all Israel be assured of this: God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Christ.
Let’s see several other things in Hebrews 1 alone that God identified Jesus a…[Read more]Lightenup replied to the topic One God and One Lord in the forum Bible Texts & Translations 4 months ago
At least you can’t say that the belief of two powers in Heaven held by enough people as a legitimate interpretive framework drawn from biblical texts as early as 560 BCE is a modern interpretation.
Have you heard of the Targums?
LU
Lightenup replied to the topic One God and One Lord in the forum Bible Texts & Translations 4 months ago
Regarding the “two powers in Heaven” it is easier for me to just copy and paste the information from GROK. It saves me quite a lot of time trying to explain. Here it is word for word:
Overview of “Two Powers in Heaven” in Early Judaism
The concept of “Two Powers in Heaven” (often rendered from the rabbinic Hebrew shnei rashuyot…[Read more]Lightenup replied to the topic One God and One Lord in the forum Bible Texts & Translations 4 months ago
I’m happy to tell you about the Two Powers of God, actually referred to as the “Two Powers of Heaven”.
The concept of “two powers in heaven” (often described as binitarianism in modern scholarship) refers to an early Jewish theological framework that posited two divine figures or manifestations sharing authority in the heavenly…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic One God and One Lord in the forum Bible Texts & Translations 4 months ago
We can take a slight pause on the Deut 10 :17 after you give me an analogy that is not comparing apples to oranges and shows that you are grasping the pattern. Make it follow this form: the name of a unity of persons = the title or category of each member in the unity.
Israel is the name of a unity, the House of Jacob. Israel=Jacob…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic One God and One Lord in the forum Bible Texts & Translations 4 months, 1 week ago
You wrote:
You’re reaching and your analogy doesn’t work; you’re using an example of two physical separate identities and trying to make them one.
I am showing you that the name of the unity called Israel is made up of a man that God named Israel (Jacob) + Jacob’s sons. The unity called Israel is echad…one in a united sense of be…[Read more]Lightenup replied to the topic One God and One Lord in the forum Bible Texts & Translations 4 months, 1 week ago
All good questions!
You wrote:
If I were to say my shirt is black and white, does that mean I have two shirts? Absolutely not!!!! It means my shirt has two colors, black and white. This grammatical concept is the same being used in the Deut 10:17 passage. This passage simply states YHWH is G-d above all other gods and Lord above all…
Lightenup replied to the topic One God and One Lord in the forum Bible Texts & Translations 4 months, 2 weeks ago
You ask:
where does it say the meaning of the Tetragrammaton is the “fullness of G-d” and that it represents each of G-d’s “presences”?
Deuteronomy 10:17
“For the LORD your God is the God of gods and the Lord of lords, the great, the mighty, and the awesome God, who does not show partiality, nor take a bribe.
I understand t…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic One God and One Lord in the forum Bible Texts & Translations 4 months, 2 weeks ago
@Proclaimer @Berean @DesireTruth
When you understand that YHWH is a name for the fullness of God as well as the name of each presence of God, i.e. Father, Son and Holy Spirit, many things in the Bible become easier to understand. Give it a try, ask the Holy Spirit to illuminate this and open your heart and mind.
Be blessed, LU
Lightenup replied to the topic One God and One Lord in the forum Bible Texts & Translations 4 months, 3 weeks ago
Unity…let’s start here:
You wrote:
what does Deut 6:4 say: “…The Lord our G-d is one Lord.” Did you catch “G-d” and “Lord” in the same sentence and HE is one?
That is not really what Deut 6:4 says. I know it has been translated that way but it is not correct, popular but not correct. I am going to insert a picture of Deut 6:4 of…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic One God and One Lord in the forum Bible Texts & Translations 4 months, 3 weeks ago
Great collection of verses on the Angel of the LORD.
The “angel” of the LORD is also the YHWH who is written about here:
The heir of all things, and through whom He made the universe. Heb 1:2
The radiance of God’s glory and the exact representation of His nature, upholding all things by His powerful word. Heb 1:3
One to be worshipped b…Lightenup replied to the topic One God and One Lord in the forum Bible Texts & Translations 4 months, 3 weeks ago
Yes, the proper name of God and Lord in Deut 10:17 is YHWH.
You wrote:
Therefore let all Israel be assured of this: God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Christ.
Let’s see several other things in Hebrews 1 alone that God identified Jesus as:
- The heir of all things, and through whom He made the universe. Heb…
Lightenup replied to the topic One God and One Lord in the forum Bible Texts & Translations 4 months, 3 weeks ago
This question “Any thing that you disagree with in that Berean?”
And this question: “Any thoughts?
These questions relate to two posts above here directed to you.
LU
Lightenup replied to the topic One God and One Lord in the forum Bible Texts & Translations 4 months, 3 weeks ago
Lightenup replied to the topic One God and One Lord in the forum Bible Texts & Translations 4 months, 3 weeks ago
You wrote:
And it is obvious that the Father is God and Jesus is Lord.
Let’s start here:
In the OT, what is the proper name of the God and Lord in Deuteronomy 10:17?
Lightenup replied to the topic One God and One Lord in the forum Bible Texts & Translations 4 months, 3 weeks ago
Lightenup replied to the topic Is “evening and morning” proof of 24-hour days in Genesis? in the forum Truth or Tradition 4 months, 3 weeks ago
You wrote:
It doesn’t say that God created the sun and moon on Day 4. They merely appeared in the firmament.
14And God said, “Let there be lights in the expanse of the sky to distinguish between the day and the night, and let them be signs to mark the seasons and days and years. 15And let them serve as lights in the expanse of the…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic Is “evening and morning” proof of 24-hour days in Genesis? in the forum Truth or Tradition 4 months, 3 weeks ago
Regarding what you wrote:
We are now living in Day Seven : God’s rest. And just as before, this day is not limited to twenty-four hours.
There have been many of God’s Sabbath rests in God’s Feasts alone. Obviously, we are not in the 7th day Sabbath rest.
LU
Lightenup replied to the topic One God and One Lord in the forum Bible Texts & Translations 5 months ago
@DesireTtuth
Feel free to examine what is written and give any thoughtful wisdom in response that the LORD gives you.
Blessings,
LU
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