Bo,Where does it say that specifically in the Bible?

Mike,When I say that the one God that is made up of God the Father, God the Son, and their Holy Spirit is one 'God' in the corporate sense I mean corporate to mean definition #4:cor·po·rate Show IPAadjective1.of, for, or belonging to a corporation or corporations: a corporate executive; She considers the new federal subsidy just corporate w…[Read more]

Well Pierre, one of us is blind and I don't believe it is me. God blinds men's eyes who's hearts are not fixed on Him…the stubborn ones that deny the plain truths of scripture. You bring this truth to life for me. Thank you, I guess.

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 14 2012,18:23)Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 13 2012,23:55)Jesus was not making a teaching that He was some sort of puppet………Who said “puppet”?    The fact is that God spoke to us in many ways in the past.  And most recently, God has spoken to us through His Son, Jesus Christ.  Jesus isn't the God who was doing the spe…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 14 2012,18:04)Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 13 2012,23:47)Mike,You may have one god but it isn't the God of Jesus. Jesus' God is not His creator.What does that mean exactly, Kathi?  Is this point about Jesus being created all you have to “refute” my statement?Jesus has one God, right?  And that one God is the Father, right?  …[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 14 2012,18:46)Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 14 2012,19:54)Pierre, are you saying that you were 1/2 of a man in your marriage? Kathino ,I was a full man but missing my other half so I could procreate as per Gods plan ,and in this way be one flesh with my love of my live , this his scripturally true to wordNevertheless 1 + 1 = 1…[Read more]

Mike,You askedQuote Lame. Does 1 man + 1 man = 1 man, Kathi? If not, then your example doesn't match the words of Athanasius, and is therefore USELESS as a rebuttal to the point I just made.Many men + many men can = 1 manEph 213But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ. 14For he himself is…[Read more]

Micah 5:2New American Standard Bible (©1995)”But as for you, Bethlehem Ephrathah, Too little to be among the clans of Judah, From you One will go forth for Me to be ruler in Israel. His goings forth are from long ago, From the days of eternity.”

Mike,Did the Son of God exist before He was begotten from Mary?

Here is what the synod at Syrmium wrote and I agree with their formula of faith which I have bolded here:12. The errors of the Photinians were not only confuted by the several above writers, but Photinus himself was condemned by the synod at Syrmium, of which place he had been bishop; and in the formula of faith agreed on therein, among others,…[Read more]

Here is what Gill adds about Jerome:11. Jerome the presbyter, and a noted writer in this century, speaking of the Arians says,* “Let them understand, that they glory in vain of the testimony in which Wisdom speaks of being created in the beginning of the ways of God, and begotten and established; for if, according to them, he was created, he could…[Read more]

Here is what is said of Ambrose in the document by Gill linked in the OP. I agree with him also! 10. Ambrose, bishop of Milan, after having said many things in opposition to Arius, Sabellius, Photinus, and Eunomius, observes, that “when you speak of a Father, you also design his Son, for no man is a father to himself; and when you name a son, you…[Read more]

Pierre, to see what you have done, just read the judgements that you make towards me in nearly every post that you make to me. The false judgements abound. What I said about thinking you were like Job's friend is completely true, btw. I read what you posted in the 'Eternal Sonship' thread on Tuesday morning and related you to Job's false accuser…[Read more]

Pierre, are you saying that you were 1/2 of a man in your marriage?

1 man + 1 woman = 1 flesh.That is 1 + 1 = 1In your view, that must be 2, not 1. You go argue with God about it, not me. Mike,Marlin corrected me because He knows that to be God, one cannot have a beginning, in which I agree and I don't think Jesus had a beginning. What He seems unaware of is that the word 'begotten' in and of itself can just mean…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 13 2012,18:39)Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 13 2012,07:35)Mike,Moses passed on God's words.Jesus speaks His and the Father's word. They are united in what they say and do. They act and speak as one God.John 8:28So Jesus said……… I do nothing on my own, but speak just what the Father has taught me.John 12:49For I did not…[Read more]

Mike,You may have one god but it isn't the God of Jesus. Jesus' God is not His creator. Btw, the disciples believed in the Father AND the Son too and both are 'the theos.'Jesus said, “Believe in God, believe also in me.”

Did God offer eternal salvation to sinners apart from the Son?

Pierre,You picked up some bad habits in reading Job, I believe. I was just thinking the other day that you sound a lot like Job's friends that falsely accused Job and needed forgiveness, ha. They thought they were so smart, but it turns out they were not.

Pierre,You say that you stick to scriptures but I showed you just the other day that God blinds the eyes of men and you didn't believe it, in fact, you told me that I was making God out to be wicked. I was merely quoting scripture. You stick to your own misunderstanding of scripture.I find the understanding of the early church fathers valuable to…[Read more]